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Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music

Alveus Lacuna

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Mor Ephrem said:
Antonis said:
Alveus Lacuna said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  :)
Whatever floats your boat.  Mine sank.
Yes, it's the worst thing ever created.
 

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vamrat said:
I still think the Odinists make the best commercial religious music.
They have their own clunkers too: http://youtu.be/8PKmR0yjcKQ
 

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We had these in the old country...
 

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Alveus Lacuna said:
Mor Ephrem said:
Antonis said:
Alveus Lacuna said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  :)
Whatever floats your boat.  Mine sank.
Yes, it's the worst thing ever created.
I am reluctant to be too critical of something that someone put so much heart and soul into, but that really hurt my ears.
 

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Alveus Lacuna said:
Mor Ephrem said:
Antonis said:
Alveus Lacuna said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  :)
Whatever floats your boat.  Mine sank.
Yes, it's the worst thing ever created.
Worse than this?
 

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That's pretty bad too.
 

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It's fine to listen to a bit of Contemporary Christian music for entertainment purposes, as long as it doesn't influence your Orthodox theology
 

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This modern hymn (1983) by Graham Kendrick is amazing:

From heaven you came helpless babe
Entered our world, your glory veiled
Not to be served but to serve
And give Your life that we might live
This is our God, The Servant King
He calls us now to follow Him
To bring our lives as a daily offering
Of worship to The Servant King
There in the garden of tears
My heavy load he chose to bear
His heart with sorrow was torn
'Yet not My will but Yours,' He said
Come see His hands and His feet
The scars that speak of sacrifice
Hands that flung stars into space
To cruel nails surrendered
So let us learn how to serve
And in our lives enthrone Him
Each other's needs to prefer
For it is Christ we're serving
 

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It's fine to listen to a bit of Contemporary Christian music for entertainment purposes
If you listen to Contemporary Christian music for entertaiment purposes you should consult your doctor. There's probably something horribly wrong with you.
 

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Given the amount of ORTHODOX worship music nowadays, I just cannot understand why (orthodox) people would "entertain" themselves by listening to CCM. ????:confused:
Even from a secular standpoint, CCM is not that good. 😩
 

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I know people.
If you listen to Contemporary Christian music for entertaiment purposes you should consult your doctor. There's probably something horribly wrong with you.
I know people. Anyway, it's just really important not to create a haram vs halal mentality, about anything really.
 

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Despite it’s problems, there are real Christian truths in Worship music. That's what I think the folks I know who listen to it appreciate. However, it's usually not theologically rich. And it is often sung, or played on instruments, with lights, smoke machines, and arms flailing in the air, in order to create an emotional atmosphere. An emotional state should never be the goal of worship. And there is much potential for the lyrics to contain protestant theological mistakes. But, in terms of lyrics alone, it is by far more pure and more innocent than most songs you would hear on the radio.
 
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When we are not in the house we play CCM on the radio for the dogs. When we get back, we turn it off.
 

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why CCM to bother someone Free Will dont we have it all, the problem is how mids capitalism triviality looms on every level so the trend provoke despise as in 4th post of this thread, who are we to judge what is right when glorifying Jesus Christ ... its one thing to say what is Orthodox Chanting as Service and its Classicism like something unique and liberating, but completely different to say all else will burn, in my opinion those that are not at the top are trying hard to survive however they can including by CCM vibe , the problem is if this kind of salvation messaging become so embudied by triviality so people eventually to see it as disgusting demotivational thing what think is close to comfort ...

... yet how the same is poured and catch someones taste thats relevant question, but knowing how this world is full of modern music dont see why there wouldnt be OC Radio Stations also where rearranged traditional or modern songs in Salvation manner would not be played, if there was such radio in Macedonia for sure I'll would listened 24/7 instead tilting among wrong and wronger vibe on the current stations! dont forget even Orthodox Chanting is derived from the traditional singing first of the jewish songs and after standardized through the balkan and oriental vibe ...​

my taste goes more on reggae side, and here are three song that emphasize good point, in this case added as background on video about the Starvation Children around the world, there should be english version too concerning the titles where its said dont be afraid even mids plandemix to go to Liturgies that feat will be taken as greater than usual, also that this global misfortune and every in the future is exactly because we have forgotten those who suffer, and above all even we have no money to contribute even better its to give Prayers for those that are in need in this case most heathen All Those Children that are Starving and Dying from starvation, while they eat mud bread we are all the rest enjoying the time of our lives! May Our Lord Jesus Christ Give Them Eternal Peace And Satiety in His Kingdom ... the video title is Prayer For The Poor ...


 
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Some of it is good and profitable. Most of of it though is emotion driven. I don't like it.
 

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IMO Christian artists should be focused on "infiltrating" the entertainment markets and creating top-notch content that can reach wide audiences, rather than limiting themselves to Christians audiences only. The goal should be art, music, film of the highest quality that can compete and provide stark contrast against all the dark, nihilistic entertainment of the world.
 

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@PorphyriosK the problem with this world is that mids all the free will leaned to meaningless things what essentially we can do is just Praying Our Lord To Have Mercy, not that through indoctrination many will be saved but indeed makes difference whether someone had have religious education since small legs, substitute for this would be inchurched life, but for many none of this is reachable so we can just hope that their Guardian Angels will wake them up through this kind of worldly echoes on Salvation what could be also simple childish songs nothing exotic or special ...

I am not familiar who composed this hymn but in Serbia became almost Easter Anthem, as I can see in the last video even Divna Ljubojevic and Teodulia made joint appearance ... still this is not popular song per'se but how is becoming comercialised it is becoming one with all the risks that go along, probably more new songs can turn away the burden of future triviality, one thing is for sure that as modern orthodox hymn in Serbia is spreading joy among kids en'masse and Glory To Our Lord for that ...



 

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dont know why but I also think that through the modern music (because the same is somehow thrown as noise) the Salvation Message or Praising is without calmness what simply dont reflect the Christian Point that we should calm our passionate mind so we could reach calm mind and like that sense the eternity, what as ideal form of devotion in Orthodoxy is known as Hesychia, and from this respect really modern CCM tunes especially christian rock is somehow ridiculous as emergence, even more if we know that triviality easily can pop up like that in form of dual interpretations, anyway who am I to judge, just know that there should be wide debate so we could reach theological conclusion what in what manner where it could be allowed, for sure in Churches modernism is not good thing, but take the architecture for example isnt the same evolved even in Orthodoxy altho not so much as in the western world, what is crucial think is the need for Prayer and Liturgies so for those that are not onlevel of Inchurched Believers surely substitute would be ccm alike songs till they came to position for Church Chanting to become part of their everyday life, just know that the crossover is problem sometimes in the past while trying to focus on the chanting as after excho some guitars will pop up L) so be aware when mixing Orthodox Chants and eg. techno music etc. just saying there are risks when one will get some habit for modern music after to reshape his hearth for Chanting altho there is no problem that cant be fixed by the Inchurched Life ...

here is one recent macedonian rework of Traditional Byzantine Christmas Carols (12th-14th century AD) as I am aware in Macedonia is first time released ~10/15 years ago as church song by monastic choir And is still popular especially among children ... think what is in Serbia as popular hymn the above Ljudi Likujte Hristos Vaskrese in my previous post, that is as popular hymn titled as Vecniot Bog this song in Macedonia ...





 

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Then you will have some rock bands that will have faith music on their CD's. For example One Republic always has a couple on each disc. The lead singer's dad was a preacher.
 

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@Christos3 surely many will use Christians Motives in one or another way in their music, the problem rises when those same people as popular persons will fell somehow so that message becomes contradictory at first, altho for me knowing that we live in world full of temptations for regular people (what about those thrown in the center of attention) I will not anyhow say look they are hypocrites, maybe if they were authorities that hold many as hostage but musicians, hm maybe if they are omnipopular thus so I can hep them to wake up from their pride rush or burden ... but what about if those singers are alchos junkies or criminals, how many rapper have tattooed Crosses all over them while in same time swearing cursing or raging in their lyrics, yep we leave in commercial world so concepts and ideologies are mixing and all that looks dystopian enough to announce the begging of the end ...

... in these last days day after many will remember the Psalm 136 here is neobizantine interpretation of the macedonian band Aporea first is cassette tape edition of 1988 and the second ep version from its morphed band Anastasia 1990 ... the text of the Psalm is about the destruction of Jerusalem by nebuchadnezzarII in 588 BC ... for many worldly tuned maybe depressing ethno'gothic'sound but thing the mood is fundamental motivation for awakening in what time we live and how we are positioned in it ...



 

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this macedonian trend of using byzantine chanting is not so common but recently one Church Choir known as Harmosini made attempt to bring our church chanting to the new generations in contemporary way, in my opinion with clever approach and original texts, among those songs one with big salvation message an rework of earlier Hoden Zhe song by the macedonian ghotic'byzantine band from '80s called Mizar [1] what actually is excerpt of The Holly Bible The Call Of The Apostles Matthew 4:18-23 ... actually this is collaboration between Harmosini and Mizar that lacks only regular video reworks so it would stay fresh with its slavic byzantine chanting that inspired for sure many to think about Inchurched Life if not Monasticism, altho to me maybe had have opposite effect because those that are Inchurched like this risk to loosen and start again enjoying the worldly music, still now when I am not so Inchurched helps me to get back in line Glory To Our Lord For All ...

 
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some will say this is blasphemy as Church Choir members to record wordily music album, yet their intent wasnt because pride or money. but above all how to introduce the Byzantine Church Chanting to the Youth in modern manner ...

more controversial example in the OC community south of Macedonia was one rock band gathered by Priests thus not so unique in its vibe, yet to some extent because noble idea, altho as official clergy stirred big hype with their appearance, yet dont get why instantly they didnt use ethno vibe instead rock one, altho in the first half of '90s this wasnt so popular genre thus I get them ... still this is ridiculous, lets make OC restaurants better, we would have more effect like that :)

 

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The members of Luxury all identify as Christian, though they largely eschewed the Christian music scene on principle. Three of the five members (Foley, Bozeman and Bozeman) are Orthodox priests, serving in the Orthodox Church in America.


in this case its word for reminiscence of their past maybe as pivot that lead them to Orthodoxy, actually many are similar converts, stil this approach above is really rare appearance in the orthodox ecumena, and as such to some extend it could be more than temptation tomorrow for excuse if not example others to follow maybe so they would be more appealing to their flock, I mean in middle ages my understanding is that the emergence of pipe'organs is exactly because such reason, probably benches too altho they as stasidias as always were present for the elderly but whole Church to seat hm hm hm, stil I'll admit this assumption if its wrong then maybe in question is aristocratic trend that consumed the Catholic Church, altho till there is not consensus on the matter every proposition is more or less valid as explanation how so the wordily vibes entered the Church, as always I tend to see the same as natural evolving need in particular desperate times, but who can say that in question werent decadent elites (in the next footnote there are two links concerning possible or questionable accusations for popes elect from aristocratic clans) [1][1] what is also good explanation how so renaissance as art form entered the western rite ...

on other hand what is more and more logical is ex-rockers as convert becoming Clergy or Monks, I can name few altho their past is irrelevant as popular musicians as is useful their witnessing what actually is happening in the rock hype, one example now Monk is the former member of EKV in Serbia ft.ArsenieJ who have had said publicly those concert were like liturgies of lusts, and probably they as musicians on stage were sensing that vibe in large hand, aside that whole band was every rock band is boosting the same momentum as intoxicated on stage performers, in their case think opioids alcohol and probably some hallucinogens, I mean I know all rock music is not in the same bucket, also not with the same inspiration or need, but eventually that is the reward as iceberg - an trans alike state induced by melodies and potions, what eventually could be said also even for any worldly regular music, still in case of subcultures lineup think most music is striving for emotional trans alike states, hm one could say in same manner we are invoking Grace through the Church Chants yet the same have different focus and different effect and above all as higher vibe is shaping the Nous of the Soul as no other worldly vibe as Aristotle have said "Music directly imitates the passions or states of the soul...when one listens to music that imitates a certain passion, he becomes imbued with the same passion; and if over a long time he habitually listens to music that rouses ignoble passions, his whole character will be shaped to an ignoble form" quote from text about ancient thouts on music [1]
 

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probably not need to be pointed how problematic is saying Prayers in vain through music, altho listening and singing these songs as popular can be problem, is this sin? here is one of my local childhood for Easter song where the singer sings On Easter I Fell In Love Tell Me My Lord How To Find Her, and must make remark that it was so popular that whole country at once was singing the song when will pop up in mid 90's on tv when there were just few tv channels in Macedonia ... if someone makes money in this respect from such song and on top is used praying for abstract purpose, I dont get how people are not aware that such approach could be wrong if not temptation!? forgive me if this post is somehow accusatory, I had my polishing evening on other topic about avatars, hope I am not rude asking loud this kind of lets say for many silly questions, but maybe for someone means chance to be redeemed eg. in this case if the singers repent for their recklessness ... the question is are we also sinning if we sing this kind of songs!?


 

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