Traditional Catholicism

[sedevacantist]

Maybe I am seeing too much, but those justifications for sedevacantism, kinda remembers landmarkism, there is pure roman catholic church somewhere in history that never changed and it is hidden today, or something like that.

No,it's quite simple, The Catholic Church has the same faith from all times, with Vatican 2 there is a different faith,they don't hold  the Catholic faith, it's unpleasant but it's just a fact..they can call themselves Catholic all they want but they are impostures, freemasons, it's hard to believe there are not others here who have figured this out.

the problem for you is you're not Catholic, you're in big trouble, wake up and study a little more instead of posting nonsense

The Catholic Church indeed has the same faith from the beginning until now.  The problem for you is that neither the "Vatican II" sect nor your own is Catholic in any theologically meaningful way.

 

[sedevacantist]

Freemasons? More of this secret cult conspiracy stuff?

I'm assuming you're still in highschool, if you respond nicely I will go through the trouble of teaching you young man.

 

[biro]

Freemasons? More of this secret cult conspiracy stuff?

I'm assuming you're still in highschool, if you respond nicely I will go through the trouble of teaching you young man.

I am not a man. I am 44. I have been to college and graduate school.

How about you stop?

 

[sedevacantist]

Freemasons? More of this secret cult conspiracy stuff?

I'm assuming you're still in highschool, if you respond nicely I will go through the trouble of teaching you young man.

I am not a man. I am 44. I have been to college and graduate school.

How about you stop?

stop what? I'm your age, for you to make such an ignorant comment as if the Freemasons are not a secret society that is the work of the devil is bewildering, if you don't know what you are talking about why post at all.

Pope Leo XIII, In Ipso (# 1), March 3, 1891: “Nevertheless, it grieves us to
think that the enemies of the Church, joined in most wicked
conspiracy, scheme to weaken and even, if possible, utterly wipe
out that wondrous edifice which God Himself has erected as a
refuge for the human race.”


I guess That pope is some conspiracy nut according to you?

The Luciferian secret society, the Carbonari,
known as the Alta Vendita, wrote a set of Permanent Instructions, or Code of Rules,
which appeared in Italy in 1818. It stated:
“... It becomes the duty of the secret societies to make the first advance to the
Church, and to the pope, with the object of conquering both. The work for
which we gird ourselves is not the work of a day, nor of a month, nor a year. It
may last for many years, perhaps a century... What we must ask for, what
we should look for and wait for, as the Jews wait for the Messiah, is
a pope according to our wants. We require a pope for ourselves, if such a
pope were possible. With such a one we shall march more securely to the
storming of the Church, than with all the little books of our French and English
brothers.” 5
The same Freemasonic document made this striking prediction:
“ In a hundred years time... bishops and priests will think they are
marching behind the banner of the keys of Peter, when in fact they
will be following our flag... The reforms will have to be brought about in
the name of obedience.” 6
These organizations and the individuals who belong to them are agents which the
Devil uses to attack the true Church of Christ.
Ephesians 6:12- “For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against
principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness,
against the spirits of wickedness in high places.”

 

[biro]

Freemasons? More of this secret cult conspiracy stuff?

I'm assuming you're still in highschool, if you respond nicely I will go through the trouble of teaching you young man.

I am not a man. I am 44. I have been to college and graduate school.

How about you stop?

stop what? I'm your age, for you to make such an ignorant comment as if the Freemasons are not a secret society that is the work of the devil is bewildering, if you don't know what you are talking about why post at all.

Pope Leo XIII, In Ipso (# 1), March 3, 1891: “Nevertheless, it grieves us to
think that the enemies of the Church, joined in most wicked
conspiracy, scheme to weaken and even, if possible, utterly wipe
out that wondrous edifice which God Himself has erected as a
refuge for the human race.”


I guess That pope is some conspiracy nut according to you?

The Luciferian secret society, the Carbonari,
known as the Alta Vendita, wrote a set of Permanent Instructions, or Code of Rules,
which appeared in Italy in 1818. It stated:
“... It becomes the duty of the secret societies to make the first advance to the
Church, and to the pope, with the object of conquering both. The work for
which we gird ourselves is not the work of a day, nor of a month, nor a year. It
may last for many years, perhaps a century... What we must ask for, what
we should look for and wait for, as the Jews wait for the Messiah, is
a pope according to our wants. We require a pope for ourselves, if such a
pope were possible. With such a one we shall march more securely to the
storming of the Church, than with all the little books of our French and English
brothers.” 5
The same Freemasonic document made this striking prediction:
“ In a hundred years time... bishops and priests will think they are
marching behind the banner of the keys of Peter, when in fact they
will be following our flag... The reforms will have to be brought about in
the name of obedience.” 6
These organizations and the individuals who belong to them are agents which the
Devil uses to attack the true Church of Christ.
Ephesians 6:12- “For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against
principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness,
against the spirits of wickedness in high places.”

You "assume[d] (I) was still in high school."

Well, you're going on Ignore.

 

[sedevacantist]

Freemasons? More of this secret cult conspiracy stuff?

I'm assuming you're still in highschool, if you respond nicely I will go through the trouble of teaching you young man.

I am not a man. I am 44. I have been to college and graduate school.

How about you stop?

stop what? I'm your age, for you to make such an ignorant comment as if the Freemasons are not a secret society that is the work of the devil is bewildering, if you don't know what you are talking about why post at all.

Pope Leo XIII, In Ipso (# 1), March 3, 1891: “Nevertheless, it grieves us to
think that the enemies of the Church, joined in most wicked
conspiracy, scheme to weaken and even, if possible, utterly wipe
out that wondrous edifice which God Himself has erected as a
refuge for the human race.”


I guess That pope is some conspiracy nut according to you?

The Luciferian secret society, the Carbonari,
known as the Alta Vendita, wrote a set of Permanent Instructions, or Code of Rules,
which appeared in Italy in 1818. It stated:
“... It becomes the duty of the secret societies to make the first advance to the
Church, and to the pope, with the object of conquering both. The work for
which we gird ourselves is not the work of a day, nor of a month, nor a year. It
may last for many years, perhaps a century... What we must ask for, what
we should look for and wait for, as the Jews wait for the Messiah, is
a pope according to our wants. We require a pope for ourselves, if such a
pope were possible. With such a one we shall march more securely to the
storming of the Church, than with all the little books of our French and English
brothers.” 5
The same Freemasonic document made this striking prediction:
“ In a hundred years time... bishops and priests will think they are
marching behind the banner of the keys of Peter, when in fact they
will be following our flag... The reforms will have to be brought about in
the name of obedience.” 6
These organizations and the individuals who belong to them are agents which the
Devil uses to attack the true Church of Christ.
Ephesians 6:12- “For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against
principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness,
against the spirits of wickedness in high places.”

I won't be able to sleep tonight

 

[dallas_r]

According to traditional Catholics (mostly sedevacantists ) the Vatican 2 church is a false church. All the Vatican 2 popes are antipopes. I agree with traditional Catholicism that the Roman Catholic Church lost so much with the change of the mass. The current mass is very bland in comparison etc. But something bothers me about traditional Catholics . Traditional Catholics believe that there isn't salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church and since the current Roman Catholic Church is false that means almost every person in the world will be condemned to hell by default. That's right Orthodox christians are condemned to hell , protestants are condemned to hell. Vatican 2 Catholics are condemned to hell. And of course every person of all other religions are condemned to hell by default , atheists and nonbeliever included of course. This doctrine bothers me because isn't fair.  Most  people don't choose were when and which religion to be born. What's the Orthodox Church take of this doctrine? Do the Orthodox Church believe that all non orthodox will be condemned to hell by default ? For something most people don't have control ?

I have many trad cat (traditional catholic) friends. They believe if someone was born into a religion and never knew Jesus or the Church, God would judge them according to their morals and the standards they were being held to in their false religion. They say it is possible for Protestants to achieve salvation too I think, it is just a lot more difficult without the grace of legitimate sacraments.