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UAOC ready to become Constantinople’s metropolis

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http://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/confessional/orthodox_relations/60184/

The UAOC is ready to abandon its autocephalous status and enter the Constantinople Patriarchate on the rights of a metropolis.

The delegates of the 5th Local Council held on June 6 in Kyiv adopted a statement with such request. The authors of the document believe that the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church will not lose its “magnificent and doleful”history within the Patriarchate of Constantinople.

“In the face of the Mother Church of Constantinople, on behalf of all the fullness of the Church, the Local Council turns to you to with a request –leaving aside any bias, to restore historical justice, receiving our Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church to the Ecumenical Patriarchate as a metropoliswith the rights of self-governance, which it had had previous to its accession in 1686 to the Moscow Church. This will allow millions of Ukrainian Orthodox join the prayer and Eucharistic communion with world Orthodoxy, because lack of unity is detrimental to their spiritual condition,” the statement goes.

Delegates to the 5th Local Council of the UAOC noted that the restoration of the Kyiv Metropolis would be the initial model to organize canonical life in Ukraine. They even prepared a number of action points that will enable the UAOC and Constantinople implement this blessed dream in life.

This issues include the involvement of leading theologians of the Ecumenical Patriarchate to discuss the problem of division in Ukrainian Orthodoxy, round tables and opening in Kyiv or Lvivof representations (metochions) of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, which will become the institutional center of interchurch activities in the issues of bringing unrecognized Orthodox communities of Ukraine to normal life in the Ecumenical Orthodox Church.

“At the same time, in solving the issue of the UAOC, we do not reject the magnificent and doleful history and traditions of our Church. The strategic goal of our church, building a single canonical Ukrainian LocalChurch, remains unchanged,”claim the members of the UAOC Local Council.
 

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They announce that every couple of years.
 

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Interesting. Very interesting.

This places Constantinople in a very difficult position.
 

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podkarpatska said:
To accept that request would result in a schism for sure...and play into the hands of extremists that even Putin can not hold back in Russia. Prayers for all, they need it.
I fear that's true. Will the issue of the schisms in Ukraine be adressed in the Great and Holy Council?
 

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This is a step to unify the UAOC and UOC-KP.
 

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LizaSymonenko said:
This is a step to unify the UAOC and UOC-KP.
How exactly? KP seems not to accept the idea of suberging under Phanar.
 

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It looks like Constantinople observers have been present at the UAOC/ UOC-KP reunion talks. I don't know what that means, if anything.
 

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Cyrillic said:
podkarpatska said:
To accept that request would result in a schism for sure...and play into the hands of extremists that even Putin can not hold back in Russia. Prayers for all, they need it.
I fear that's true. Will the issue of the schisms in Ukraine be adressed in the Great and Holy Council?
It is really complex. But it's about time the Moscow Patriarchate, having to choose between siding with the Russian state at the expense of its relations with the rest of the Church or siding with the rest of the Church at the expense of its relations with the local government, finally choose the latter and agree that a whole nation that does not want to be under them has the right to go. Isn't that the argument for Crimea?

Right now, there is no third option.
 

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Fabio Leite said:
Cyrillic said:
podkarpatska said:
To accept that request would result in a schism for sure...and play into the hands of extremists that even Putin can not hold back in Russia. Prayers for all, they need it.
I fear that's true. Will the issue of the schisms in Ukraine be adressed in the Great and Holy Council?
It is really complex. But it's about time the Moscow Patriarchate, having to choose between siding with the Russian state at the expense of its relations with the rest of the Church or siding with the rest of the Church at the expense of its relations with the local government, finally choose the latter and agree that a whole nation that does not want to be under them has the right to go. Isn't that the argument for Crimea?

Right now, there is no third option.
The fact that the MP is increasingly a part of the government of the Russian Federation has itself damaged the relations between the MP and a sizable part of the MP's flock in Ukraine. Easily understandable, since being in the MP makes you look like somewhat of a fifth columnist in the eyes of your countrymen.

But still, the EP shouldn't be as reckless as to take the UAOC and the KP in. It would be far better for a few million to be in schism than 150 million.
 

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Iconodule said:
It looks like Constantinople observers have been present at the UAOC/ UOC-KP reunion talks. I don't know what that means, if anything.
Those observers include my very own bishop.
 

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Cyrillic said:
Fabio Leite said:
Cyrillic said:
podkarpatska said:
To accept that request would result in a schism for sure...and play into the hands of extremists that even Putin can not hold back in Russia. Prayers for all, they need it.
I fear that's true. Will the issue of the schisms in Ukraine be adressed in the Great and Holy Council?
It is really complex. But it's about time the Moscow Patriarchate, having to choose between siding with the Russian state at the expense of its relations with the rest of the Church or siding with the rest of the Church at the expense of its relations with the local government, finally choose the latter and agree that a whole nation that does not want to be under them has the right to go. Isn't that the argument for Crimea?

Right now, there is no third option.
The fact that the MP is increasingly a part of the government of the Russian Federation has itself damaged the relations between the MP and a sizable part of the MP's flock in Ukraine. Easily understandable, since being in the MP makes you look like somewhat of a fifth columnist in the eyes of your countrymen.

But still, the EP shouldn't be as reckless as to take the UAOC and the KP in. It would be far better for a few million to be in schism than 150 million.
Indeed. Whatever is settled, it should not be confrontational.
 

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Cyrillic said:
Fabio Leite said:
Cyrillic said:
podkarpatska said:
To accept that request would result in a schism for sure...and play into the hands of extremists that even Putin can not hold back in Russia. Prayers for all, they need it.
I fear that's true. Will the issue of the schisms in Ukraine be adressed in the Great and Holy Council?
It is really complex. But it's about time the Moscow Patriarchate, having to choose between siding with the Russian state at the expense of its relations with the rest of the Church or siding with the rest of the Church at the expense of its relations with the local government, finally choose the latter and agree that a whole nation that does not want to be under them has the right to go. Isn't that the argument for Crimea?

Right now, there is no third option.
The fact that the MP is increasingly a part of the government of the Russian Federation has itself damaged the relations between the MP and a sizable part of the MP's flock in Ukraine. Easily understandable, since being in the MP makes you look like somewhat of a fifth columnist in the eyes of your countrymen.

But still, the EP shouldn't be as reckless as to take the UAOC and the KP in. It would be far better for a few million to be in schism than 150 million.
Or maybe if their feet are held to the fire like this, many Russians will also wake up and smell the uranopolitan coffee.
 

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Volnutt said:
Cyrillic said:
Fabio Leite said:
Cyrillic said:
podkarpatska said:
To accept that request would result in a schism for sure...and play into the hands of extremists that even Putin can not hold back in Russia. Prayers for all, they need it.
I fear that's true. Will the issue of the schisms in Ukraine be adressed in the Great and Holy Council?
It is really complex. But it's about time the Moscow Patriarchate, having to choose between siding with the Russian state at the expense of its relations with the rest of the Church or siding with the rest of the Church at the expense of its relations with the local government, finally choose the latter and agree that a whole nation that does not want to be under them has the right to go. Isn't that the argument for Crimea?

Right now, there is no third option.
The fact that the MP is increasingly a part of the government of the Russian Federation has itself damaged the relations between the MP and a sizable part of the MP's flock in Ukraine. Easily understandable, since being in the MP makes you look like somewhat of a fifth columnist in the eyes of your countrymen.

But still, the EP shouldn't be as reckless as to take the UAOC and the KP in. It would be far better for a few million to be in schism than 150 million.
Or maybe if their feet are held to the fire like this, many Russians will also wake up and smell the uranopolitan coffee.
Your optimism is so cute!  :D
 

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The only link I can find about this on the UAOC web site is this:
http://uaoc.lviv.ua/index.php?id=28&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=145&cHash=aabf2b6f902e88b623abc2f6c4e7ed6a

 

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Cyrillic said:
Fabio Leite said:
Cyrillic said:
podkarpatska said:
To accept that request would result in a schism for sure...and play into the hands of extremists that even Putin can not hold back in Russia. Prayers for all, they need it.
I fear that's true. Will the issue of the schisms in Ukraine be adressed in the Great and Holy Council?
It is really complex. But it's about time the Moscow Patriarchate, having to choose between siding with the Russian state at the expense of its relations with the rest of the Church or siding with the rest of the Church at the expense of its relations with the local government, finally choose the latter and agree that a whole nation that does not want to be under them has the right to go. Isn't that the argument for Crimea?

Right now, there is no third option.
The fact that the MP is increasingly a part of the government of the Russian Federation has itself damaged the relations between the MP and a sizable part of the MP's flock in Ukraine. Easily understandable, since being in the MP makes you look like somewhat of a fifth columnist in the eyes of your countrymen.

But still, the EP shouldn't be as reckless as to take the UAOC and the KP in. It would be far better for a few million to be in schism than 150 million.
But 'unity' at the cost of what? Our integrity and thereby our souls? I don't know the truth here, I don't have any answers...There has been schism over politics many times in the history of our Churches, but sometimes a person has to choose. Prayer it seems is all we may offer now.
 

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Archimandrite Victor Bed, formally of the UOC-MP has now joined the UAOC: http://www.religion.in.ua/news/vazhlivo/29381-arximandrit-viktor-bed-ocholit-karpatsku-yeparxiyu-uapc.html

Also more in English here: http://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/150608a.html

This is significant because Archimandrite Victor Bed has been advocating that the Orthodox in Ukraine unite and appeal to the EP.
 

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Orest said:
Archimandrite Victor Bed, formally of the UOC-MP has now joined the UAOC: http://www.religion.in.ua/news/vazhlivo/29381-arximandrit-viktor-bed-ocholit-karpatsku-yeparxiyu-uapc.html

Also more in English here: http://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/150608a.html

This is significant because Archimandrite Victor Bed has been advocating that the Orthodox in Ukraine unite and appeal to the EP.
Orest, does UAOC have any presence in Transcarpathia in the Mucachevo region?
 

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I completely understand their reasoning, but for the above-mentioned, it should be handled delicately.  The absolute last thing that Orthodoxy needs is an armed civil war.
 

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podkarpatska said:
Orest said:
Archimandrite Victor Bed, formally of the UOC-MP has now joined the UAOC: http://www.religion.in.ua/news/vazhlivo/29381-arximandrit-viktor-bed-ocholit-karpatsku-yeparxiyu-uapc.html

Also more in English here: http://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/150608a.html

This is significant because Archimandrite Victor Bed has been advocating that the Orthodox in Ukraine unite and appeal to the EP.
Orest, does UAOC have any presence in Transcarpathia in the Mucachevo region?
I know that Archimandrite Viktor Bed resides in Uzhhorod.
He is the rector of the Sts. Kyril & Methodius Theological Academy which is part of the Carpathian University: http://www.uuba.org.ua/
Not sure about Mucachevo & the UAOC though.
 

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Cyrillic said:
Fabio Leite said:
Cyrillic said:
podkarpatska said:
To accept that request would result in a schism for sure...and play into the hands of extremists that even Putin can not hold back in Russia. Prayers for all, they need it.
I fear that's true. Will the issue of the schisms in Ukraine be adressed in the Great and Holy Council?
It is really complex. But it's about time the Moscow Patriarchate, having to choose between siding with the Russian state at the expense of its relations with the rest of the Church or siding with the rest of the Church at the expense of its relations with the local government, finally choose the latter and agree that a whole nation that does not want to be under them has the right to go. Isn't that the argument for Crimea?

Right now, there is no third option.
The fact that the MP is increasingly a part of the government of the Russian Federation has itself damaged the relations between the MP and a sizable part of the MP's flock in Ukraine. Easily understandable, since being in the MP makes you look like somewhat of a fifth columnist in the eyes of your countrymen.

But still, the EP shouldn't be as reckless as to take the UAOC and the KP in. It would be far better for a few million to be in schism than 150 million.
Except it probably wouldn't end up being all 150 million. Even if the MP decides to go full-on in equating Orthodoxy with loyalty to the "Third Rome", and ends up going into schism over that, not everyone in Russia will go along with it. The Siberian peoples (Yakuts), who are not ethnic Russians, for one.

That being said, Russia being split down the middle (75 million in schism rather than 150 million) might be an even worse situation, depending on how it breaks down geographically. If they occupied different areas of the country it might not be so bad, but if there are adherents of both factions in the same area, it could lead to a civil war and that would be awful.
 

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The only option I could reasonably see occurring, that would keep tensions with the MP and Russia to a minimum, would be a temporary measure which would involve receiving UAOC and KP parishes in only those parts of Ukraine that don't currently have much (if any) of an MP presence. I suspect that would be the case in much of the western part of the country, at least.
 

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Minnesotan said:
Cyrillic said:
Fabio Leite said:
Cyrillic said:
podkarpatska said:
To accept that request would result in a schism for sure...and play into the hands of extremists that even Putin can not hold back in Russia. Prayers for all, they need it.
I fear that's true. Will the issue of the schisms in Ukraine be adressed in the Great and Holy Council?
It is really complex. But it's about time the Moscow Patriarchate, having to choose between siding with the Russian state at the expense of its relations with the rest of the Church or siding with the rest of the Church at the expense of its relations with the local government, finally choose the latter and agree that a whole nation that does not want to be under them has the right to go. Isn't that the argument for Crimea?

Right now, there is no third option.
The fact that the MP is increasingly a part of the government of the Russian Federation has itself damaged the relations between the MP and a sizable part of the MP's flock in Ukraine. Easily understandable, since being in the MP makes you look like somewhat of a fifth columnist in the eyes of your countrymen.

But still, the EP shouldn't be as reckless as to take the UAOC and the KP in. It would be far better for a few million to be in schism than 150 million.
Except it probably wouldn't end up being all 150 million. Even if the MP decides to go full-on in equating Orthodoxy with loyalty to the "Third Rome", and ends up going into schism over that, not everyone in Russia will go along with it. The Siberian peoples (Yakuts), who are not ethnic Russians, for one.

That being said, Russia being split down the middle (75 million in schism rather than 150 million) might be an even worse situation, depending on how it breaks down geographically. If they occupied different areas of the country it might not be so bad, but if there are adherents of both factions in the same area, it could lead to a civil war and that would be awful.
That's quite a trip;
 

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augustin717 said:
That being said, Russia being split down the middle (75 million in schism rather than 150 million) might be an even worse situation, depending on how it breaks down geographically. If they occupied different areas of the country it might not be so bad, but if there are adherents of both factions in the same area, it could lead to a civil war and that would be awful.
That's quite a trip;
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If England had expanded it's power not creating another name like "British Empire", and the conquered lands "colonies" but just as new territories of "England", we would have the same situation we have with Russia: a colonial empire that names all lands under it with the name of the metropolitan nation.

All colonial empires fell. It's about time the Russian Empire does as well.
 

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Fabio Leite said:
Cyrillic said:
podkarpatska said:
To accept that request would result in a schism for sure...and play into the hands of extremists that even Putin can not hold back in Russia. Prayers for all, they need it.
I fear that's true. Will the issue of the schisms in Ukraine be adressed in the Great and Holy Council?
It is really complex. But it's about time the Moscow Patriarchate, having to choose between siding with the Russian state at the expense of its relations with the rest of the Church or siding with the rest of the Church at the expense of its relations with the local government, finally choose the latter and agree that a whole nation that does not want to be under them has the right to go. Isn't that the argument for Crimea?

Right now, there is no third option.
That's a good point Fabio about the end of colonialism.  I have been thinking too lately about the issue of state churches.  The modern world no longer has state churches and by that I mean one church per one country.  We are living in an era I hope of religious toleration except for the Islamic states.
 

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Fabio Leite said:
It is really complex. But it's about time the Moscow Patriarchate... agree that a whole nation that does not want to be under them has the right to go. Isn't that the argument for Crimea?
Yes, and also for Abkhazia's church.

Right now, there is no third option.
The third option, and unfortunately probably the most likely one, is the non-MP Ukrainian Orthodox remaining in a state of canonical limbo, with no recognition from the EP, but maybe some under-the-radar concelebration as the MP does in Abkhazia.
 

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Earlier today the Ukrainian Orthodox Church USA posted a news release regarding the meeting between the UAOC and the UOC KP. It  confirms that the UOCUSA's Bishop Daniel attended as a representative of Constantinople. If the Synod of unity results in union between the UAOC and the KP and if significant defections from.the UOCMP follow, it seems quite possible if not  probable that Constantinople will recognize such a body  as some sort of autonomous self governing church under its omophorion. If so, all bets are off. Here is the link. The English translation is very clear and direct. http://uocofusa.org/news_150609_1.html

Of course, if Constantinople recognizes a united Ukrainian front, the proverbial Rubicon will have been crossed. Those hoping to see some sort of administrative unity in North America in their lifetime should find something else to dream about if this occurs unless Antioch and the OCA were to side with Constantinople and the Ukrainians, a most unlikely possibility.

Alea iacta est
 

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podkarpatska said:
Earlier today the Ukrainian Orthodox Church USA posted a news release regarding the meeting between the UAOC and the UOC KP. It  confirms that the UOCUSA's Bishop Daniel attended as a representative of Constantinople. If the Synod of unity results in union between the UAOC and the KP and if significant defections from.the UOCMP follow, it seems quite possible if not  probable that Constantinople will recognize such a body  as some sort of autonomous self governing church under its omophorion. If so, all bets are off. Here is the link. The English translation is very clear and direct. http://uocofusa.org/news_150609_1.html

Of course, if Constantinople recognizes a united Ukrainian front, the proverbial Rubicon will have been crossed. Those hoping to see some sort of administrative unity in North America in their lifetime should find something else to dream about if this occurs unless Antioch and the OCA were to side with Constantinople and the Ukrainians, a most unlikely possibility.

Alea iacta est
And if that happens we may as well say goodbye to any Pan-Orthodox council in 2016 or at least we will just see the MP using its veto power as a negotiation tool. "We will veto everything if you accept this "schismatic" church".

That scenario would be terrifying because it could cause a major split between those siding with Constantinople and those siding with Moscow and even maybe a "non-aligned" group of churches.

In that case, a council meant to be a "sign of unity" would become a scandal and a stumbling stone for many.
 

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But at what cost is "unity" to be had? And is such unity really desirous? Honestly, I do not know and like many, I'm troubled and conflicted. Keep in mind that much of Moscow's power and numbers rest in controlling the Ukrainian church , if that is lost..or seriously challenged, like I said...all bets are off. Chaos leads to unpredictable results.
 

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I would foresee not a complete schism but a partial schism like the Meletian schism where churches pick different sides but remain in communion with each other.
 

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Actually not unlike what went on during the Soviet era between 1925 say and 1993. I've noted before that I remember growing up in the 1950's through early 1970's that you'd never know each year if we were taking part in the Sunday of Orthodoxy and who would or would not be allowed to attend. Same with clergy funerals or parish celebrations.
 

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Fabio Leite said:
In that case, a council meant to be a "sign of unity" would become a scandal and a stumbling stone for many.
Yeah, as if that's ever happened before I see. 
 
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On June 8, 2015, at St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery in Kyiv (presently belonging to the UOC-KP), a meeting was held by the dialogue committees of the UAOC and the UOC-KP, with observers from the Ecumenical Patriarchate (namely, a bishop each from the UOC-USA and the UOCC).  At this meeting, the following text was adopted (English translation is from the UOC-USA website, http://uocofusa.org/news_150609_1.html):

A final decision of the
joint meeting of the Committees for dialogue of the
Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church
with Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Kyiv Patriarchate

and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Kyiv Patriarchate
with Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church

St. Michael's Monastery, Kyiv
June 8, 2015

Gathered at a joint meeting in the presence of observers from the Ecumenical Patriarchate, His Grace Bishop Ilarion, Bishop of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Canada, and His Grace Bishop Daniel, Bishop of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA; and the UAOC Commission for dialogue with the UOC-KP Commission together decided the following.

1. To express appreciation to His All Holiness Bartholomew, Archbishop of Constantinople - New Rome and Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople and the Mother Church and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church in Diaspora for sending observers of this dialogue.

2. State that decisions V UAOC under the Local Council (4-5 June 2015) and the UOC-KP under decisions of the Holy Synod (from May 12, 2015), intend and desire in the near time to unite in a single national Orthodox Ukrainian Church.

3. Recognize that according to canonical norms, statutes of both churches and laws of Ukraine, the unification of both Churches is possible through the Unification Council.

4. Offer the Primate of the UAOC and the Council of Bishops and Primate of the UOC-KP and the Holy Synod immediately, by June 30, 2015, to decide on the convening of the Unity Council for final unification of UAOC and the UOC-KP into a single national church.

5. The composition of delegates for the Unity Council is defined on an equal basis, all the bishops of the UAOC and UOC-KP, and one delegate for every fifteen registered religious organizations (base number of religious organizations is determined on the basis of official data on registration Ministry of Culture of Ukraine as of January 1, 2015). The final determination of representation within the UAOC and the UOC-KP depends on the decisions of their statutory bodies.

6. Following the decision to convene the Council (in accordance with Para. 4 of the final decision) Commissions for dialogue between the UAOC and the UOC-KP converted into common Pre-Sobor Commission, which is preparing for Council. The Pre-Sobor Commission is an equal number of bishops and representatives from the clergy and laity of the UOC-KP and UAOC, but no more than seven on each side. Chairman of relevant Committees for dialogue of Pre-Sobor Committee are co-chairs of the Commission. The observers from the Ecumenical Patriarchate will be invited to participate in such commission.

7. The date of the Unification Council proposed to convene on Sept. 14, 2015, the day the beginning of the Church year. The venue of the Unity Council intended Saint Sophia Cathedral.

8. After deciding to convene the Council (in accordance with Para. 4 of the final decision) in time for the council imposed a moratorium on the transition of parishes and bishops from one jurisdiction to another.

9. According to the approved in the Ecumenical Patriarchate of 2000 Symfonitikon, provisions define that freedom of liturgical concelebration and Eucharistic unity of Primates, bishops and clergy of the UAOC and the UOC-KP, according to their mutual agreement.

10. From the opening of the Unity Council and to the adoption of the Unification Council decision to merge the UAOC and the UOC-KP and the election of one Primate of the United Church, Primate UAOC and the UOC-KP is co-chaired the Unification Council.

11. Unification Council will address all proposals submitted and Conditions approved by UAOC (4-5 June 2015) and the Holy Synod of the UOC KP (12 May 2015), including questions about the Primate and the name of the united Church, taking into account the position of the Council on UAOC’s name for the united Church "Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church Kyiv Patriarchate." Decisions on all issues of the Unification Council decided by a majority vote.

This final decision is composed of three identical copies, each three pages certified by the Chairmen of the Committees, signed by all members of the two Commissions present at the meeting and certified by observers from the Ecumenical Patriarch. In order to inform both churches completeness final decision is published in the media.

SIGNATURES:

UAOC Commission

+Andriy, Metropolitan of Halych
+Mstyslav, Archbishop of Ternopil
Archpriest Nikolai Kavchak (Lviv diocese)
Archpriest Eugene Shuvar (Ivano-Frankivsk eparchy)
Archpriest George Kushniryuk (Kiev diocese)

UOC-KP Commission

+Dymytriy, Metropolitan of Lviv
+Yevstratii, Archbishop of Chernigov
Archpriest Alexander Trofymlyuk (Kyiv)
Archpriest Alexei Holovatsky (Ternopil diocese)
Archpriest Mikhail Lesyuk (Pereyaslav-Khmelnitsky diocese)


Observers

+Ilarion, Bishop of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Canada
+Daniel, Bishop of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA

 
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(Translated by me)
"After the unification of the UOC-KP and UAOC, the single national Ukrainian church will be recognized by the Patriarchate of Constantinople, said Archbishop Yevstratij (Zorya), a spokesman for the UOC-KP, on Ukrainian television station Channel 5, reports UNN."

A bit more (in Ukrainian) here:
http://risu.org.ua/ua/index/all_news/orthodox/uoc_kp/60252/
 

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Yurysprudentsiya said:
(Translated by me)
"After the unification of the UOC-KP and UAOC, the single national Ukrainian church will be recognized by the Patriarchate of Constantinople, said Archbishop Yevstratij (Zorya), a spokesman for the UOC-KP, on Ukrainian television station Channel 5, reports UNN."

A bit more (in Ukrainian) here:
http://risu.org.ua/ua/index/all_news/orthodox/uoc_kp/60252/
Oy vey. I hope that's not true. At least not if the MP isn't on board.
 
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Perhaps seeing what is to come, UOC-MP press secretary (at least he once held this title, I assume that he still does), Fr. Heorhij Kovalenko recently commented on Radio Maria:

. . . We must find a way for all Ukrainians who were baptized in the Orthodox faith, who had communion among themselves and with World Orthodoxy - in prayer, in the Eucharist, in the sacraments.  None of the Orthodox said to each other:  "You are blessed," "You are not blessed," "You are canonical," "You are not canonical."  All of us were united in Christ. 
Therefore, if some solution is found for the UAOC or the Kyiv Patriarchate, and it will be recognized by World Orthodoxy, personally, I will welcome it," said the Archpriest.
As reported here (in Ukrainian):
http://risu.org.ua/ua/index/all_news/orthodox/orthodox_world/60260/

My prediction: 
If this does come to pass, you will see a lot of those priests, bishops, and faithful who stayed in the UOC-MP because it was adjudged more canonical leaving for the UAOC-KP.  I doubt that you will see formal switching over of diocesan structures; rather, it is more likely (to me) that the accelerating decline of the UOC-MP in Ukraine as a share of the populace will continue apace.
 

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Cyrillic said:
Yurysprudentsiya said:
(Translated by me)
"After the unification of the UOC-KP and UAOC, the single national Ukrainian church will be recognized by the Patriarchate of Constantinople, said Archbishop Yevstratij (Zorya), a spokesman for the UOC-KP, on Ukrainian television station Channel 5, reports UNN."

A bit more (in Ukrainian) here:
http://risu.org.ua/ua/index/all_news/orthodox/uoc_kp/60252/
Oy vey. I hope that's not true. At least not if the MP isn't on board.
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Fabio Leite said:
podkarpatska said:
Earlier today the Ukrainian Orthodox Church USA posted a news release regarding the meeting between the UAOC and the UOC KP. It  confirms that the UOCUSA's Bishop Daniel attended as a representative of Constantinople. If the Synod of unity results in union between the UAOC and the KP and if significant defections from.the UOCMP follow, it seems quite possible if not  probable that Constantinople will recognize such a body  as some sort of autonomous self governing church under its omophorion. If so, all bets are off. Here is the link. The English translation is very clear and direct. http://uocofusa.org/news_150609_1.html

Of course, if Constantinople recognizes a united Ukrainian front, the proverbial Rubicon will have been crossed. Those hoping to see some sort of administrative unity in North America in their lifetime should find something else to dream about if this occurs unless Antioch and the OCA were to side with Constantinople and the Ukrainians, a most unlikely possibility.

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And if that happens we may as well say goodbye to any Pan-Orthodox council in 2016 or at least we will just see the MP using its veto power as a negotiation tool. "We will veto everything if you accept this "schismatic" church".

That scenario would be terrifying because it could cause a major split between those siding with Constantinople and those siding with Moscow and even maybe a "non-aligned" group of churches.

In that case, a council meant to be a "sign of unity" would become a scandal and a stumbling stone for many.
I think that such an outcome would merely rip away the facade of "unity" on certain points that is growing thinner and thinner with each passing day, and would cause the Orthodox World to openly acknowledge, and begin to come to terms with, the severe governance problems that the competing positions of the "major players" have presented to the rest of our communion.  We now have two historically Orthodox lands with a majority or near-majority of non-canonical Orthodox Christians, no agreement on who has jurisdiction where (or even who makes that call), disunity on how autocephalous Churches can be formed in traditionally non-Orthodox lands (and, in the case of ROCOR, whether unity on that point is even desirable), a complete dispute and failure to resolve what happens when one autocephalous Church (the Jerusalem Patriarchate) exercises dominion over territory claimed by another autocephalous Church (the Patriarchate of Antioch) -- both being based on ancient claims with few facts on the ground -- etc.  Better by far, I think, that this come to a head and be dealt with -- either we can agree or we can't -- than to bury our heads in the sand and let these infectious wounds continually fester and the constant infighting and debating under the radar distract the Church from her mission.
 

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Yurysprudentsiya said:
Perhaps seeing what is to come, UOC-MP press secretary (at least he once held this title, I assume that he still does), Fr. Heorhij Kovalenko recently commented on Radio Maria:
He was dismissed from that office a couple of months ago.
 
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Under what circumstances did this happen?  I missed that news.

I do know of the dismissal of Metropolitan Oleksandr (Drabynko) of Pereyaslav-Khmelnyts'kyj from his post as Chairman of the Department of External Church Relations of the UOC-MP in late May, which came just two months after he paid a pastoral visit to Ukrainian army troops serving in the East and served Divine Liturgy there.  But I hadn't heard of Fr. Heorhij's situation.

 
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