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I am not sure the links above are quite the same as the Shamokin one. The one in St. Michael's at Jermyn's looks like a devotional that is almost a big rounded icon with a cross on top, while the one in St Cyril's is an altar with a canopy top with an onion dome.

My impression is that the one in shamokin is a facade-type wall with a done on top at the back end of the altar, but you can't get that good a look at it in the photo.
 

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rakovsky said:
I am not sure the links above are quite the same as the Shamokin one. The one in St. Michael's at Jermyn's looks like a devotional that is almost a big rounded icon with a cross on top, while the one in St Cyril's is an altar with a canopy top with an onion dome.

My impression is that the one in shamokin is a facade-type wall with a done on top at the back end of the altar, but you can't get that good a look at it in the photo.
Variations on a theme, is probably the best way to describe it. Every small town parish had a carpenter or wood carver or two and the desire to out embellish your neighboring village or church was carried over from the old world.  I've been in enough churches of all stripes built by folks from those regions to say you can't draw any stylistic conclusions from one or the other - other than to say that excess often was the rule....

Another old style Rusyn church can be found at the ROCOR Cathedral in Mayfield, PA where the front is dominated by two free standing structures topped by domes:



The Mayfield iconostasis is typical of what you will find in much of northeast Pennsylvania regardless of jurisdiction or faith.

If you follow the directories of the OCA, the ACROD, the Byzantine Catholic Eparchy of Passaic, the ROCOR New York Eastern America Diocese, the UOCUSA and the Philadelphia, PA Diocese of the UGCC and track the photos of their pre 1950 church buildings in their parishes across Northeast Pennsylvania and into central New York and parts of New Jersey, you will be struck by the similarities which exist in the styles of decoration and appointment of the churches built by early immigrants from Austria-Hungary whose descendants ended up dispersed among all of those jurisdictions and faiths.

In the second half of the twentieth century, styles of newer construction began to diverge from the old world norm.
 

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OK, Yes I have seen those side devotionals look that way with a canopy in Orthodox churches. I am still curious about the "mini church" in shamokin, along with the impressive pre-Vatican II side devotionals, like whether there are copies of that form in eastern rite churches elsewhere.
 

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Here is an Orthodox Church from Transcarpathia, note the mini-iconostasis on the left...I suspect it is a 'side altar' ....


and another from the same region,



and the church in which my grandparents were baptized, the Greek Catholic church of SS. Cosmas and Damian, the Holy Unmercenaries from Cigelka, Slovakia.



People naturally tried to replicate in America what they remembered.  Any one of these old world churches could easily be imagined anywhere in northeast Pennsylvania in any of the jurisdictions I noted...
 

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I could easily imagine the 1st and 3rd one, but am having trouble with the second, maybe because of the way big frescoes are put on the edges of the ceiling + the fine carpetry.
 

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Agabus said:
At New Skete:
That's not odd, that's just very traditional.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templon
 

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In some Serbian monasteries such style of low, made of stone iconostasis without doors is very popular, but in other traditions not realy (well, maybe in Georgia)


 

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Orthodox church of the Theotokos Dormition in Lugoj:






And as for such latinised type, I've forgotten about something so obvious: the Orthodox cathedral in Belgrade:



And something diffrent: a Greek Catholic church in Romania:

 

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Location: Kotka, Finland.
 

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Dominika said:
Orthodox church of the Theotokos Dormition in Lugoj:






And as for such latinised type, I've forgotten about something so obvious: the Orthodox cathedral in Belgrade:



And something diffrent: a Greek Catholic church in Romania:
Well, baroque iconstases are not that unusal, in fact they were norm between 17 and early 20 century..

Saint George Cathedral in Constantinople:



 

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Ekdikos said:
Well, baroque iconstases are not that unusal, in fact they were norm between 17 and early 20 century..

Saint George Cathedral in Constantinople:
That's true, but some look (at least for me) more unusual than others. And as for the one from Constantinople, I'm probably used to it ;) And it has more traditional icons, not paintins like these ones posted above by me and Alpo
 

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Dominika said:
Ekdikos said:
Well, baroque iconstases are not that unusal, in fact they were norm between 17 and early 20 century..

Saint George Cathedral in Constantinople:
That's true, but some look (at least for me) more unusual than others. And as for the one from Constantinople, I'm probably used to it ;) And it has more traditional icons, not paintins like these ones posted above by me and Alpo
I understand what are you trying to tell. But unfortunatley, neithere baroque, and neoclasicist icons are that rare (there are such even at Holy Mountain). Maybe in last ~50 years we had chance to see return of genuine Byzantine Iconography. Icons from St. George basilica iconostasis are in hybrid style, know as Cretan baroque (mixture of baroque and Byzantine iconography).

Anothere full baroque iconostasis.
 

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Monastery of st. John the Forerunner in Lebanon


 

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Monastery of st. John the Forerunner in Lebanon


Beautiful. Is this church located in one of the caves?

 

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This is from Russia. Sorry, I have no more information than that:

 

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From the Byzantine Catholics in my area:











 

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I really like it
 

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Greek Orthodox cathedral in Venezia
 

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Beautiful, thank you for sharing!
 

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podkarpatska said:
I hope the Administrator is paying attention to the overall direction this entire forum has taken over the past few months. The snarky comments posted on this thread are disheartening.  It is one thing to post pictures  of unusual churches, it is another thing to mock them.

LBK and I have a serious disagreement over a narrow aspect of the icon debate, but we didn't resort to schoolyard sniping. I respect her point of view and I suspect she respects mine in return

Look, I've never been to the Church in question, I have my own opinion about the style, but the interior is unfinished. The community in question took a painful step to walk away from their old  inner city church to build in a suburb, a most difficult thing to do. It's OK to say you don't like it, but mocking is hateful and not worthy of any Orthodox Christian, especially especially when  cloaked in anonymity.

I hope this promotes a bit more civility and perhaps some tighter moderation.

(By the way, my name is David Dutko of St Michael's ACROD  in Binghamton, NY . I figured I  would state that since I brought up anonymity.)
Hey! We're both in the Carpatho-Rusyns Everywhere! Facebook group!
 

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griego catolico said:
Proposed iconostasis for Saint Nicholas Shrine at the World Trade Center:

That church is so white it's racist.
 

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I wish I weren't afraid to go on airplanes. I bet these places are even more lovely in person. :)
 

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Somewhere in Ukraine, unfortunately the picture shows only a piece of it
 

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Lešje monastery



Church in Bileći





 

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Wow! I have never seen one like the last one.
 

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Church in Bogâltin (Romania)

 

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Looks better now.  :angel:
 

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What changed?
 

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Monastery of the Theotokos in Dherme (Albania)
 

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Dominika said:
Monastery of the Theotokos in Dherme (Albania)
Cue Serb nationalist THERE ARE NO ORTHODOX IN ALBANIA!!! AAAHHH!!! (I seriously saw this in a thread on the OCN facebook page a day or two ago).
 
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