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trevor72694 said:
That is between God, my priest and I.
Sorry for removing that gay color.

This is a great English test for the fellow marms.

How many errors are in the above quote? What are they? And why? (I am officially tossing out one of the traditional criticisms which could used here.)
 

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@Orthonorm

Should be "...among God, my priest, and me."
 

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OrthoNoob said:
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Should be "...among God, my priest, and me."
"Between" would also be appropriate, perhaps even more appropriate, since "among" implies a vaguer relationship among the three, whereas "between" implies explict, distinct relations between God and believer, between God and priest, and between believer and priest.
 

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orthonorm said:
trevor72694 said:
That is between God, my priest and I.
Sorry for removing that gay color.

This is a great English test for the fellow marms.

How many errors are in the above quote? What are they? And why? (I am officially tossing out one of the traditional criticisms which could used here.)
Master, such a gem from you.
 

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tweety234 said:
LizaSymonenko said:
That may be true.

Therefore, the responsibility lies with the seminaries to ensure that the priests are prepared to handle these situations and are willing to dedicate the time to their flocks.

Personally, I am always surprised to read that people have gone to their priest and told them they just "aren't happy" and will start skipping Liturgy....and the response is "OK".

???

That just baffles me.  It's not okay.  Perhaps the person needs additional attention and care.  I can't believe the sheep is leaving the flock and it's okay.  This has occurred more than once, as multiple posters have posted pretty much the same response given them from their clergy when told they were leaving.

Even if they can't convince the person to stay....don't sugar coat it and say it's "OK".  Don't make them feel it is all good to leave the Church and become less than what they have been called to be.  Don't be mean, but, perhaps a follow up or a show of concern would be of benefit.

Funny how people judge atheists, when they can't scienctifically prove God's existence. Wake up people. I believe in God. But I can;t offer any proof of his existence. Therefore judging and condemning atheists, doesn't sound sane.
We can come close to proving the existence of God once you calculate the odds of life arising randomly.

This short You tube will take you through the numbers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSmV2FlHDw
 

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Marc1152 said:
tweety234 said:
LizaSymonenko said:
That may be true.

Therefore, the responsibility lies with the seminaries to ensure that the priests are prepared to handle these situations and are willing to dedicate the time to their flocks.

Personally, I am always surprised to read that people have gone to their priest and told them they just "aren't happy" and will start skipping Liturgy....and the response is "OK".

???

That just baffles me.  It's not okay.  Perhaps the person needs additional attention and care.  I can't believe the sheep is leaving the flock and it's okay.  This has occurred more than once, as multiple posters have posted pretty much the same response given them from their clergy when told they were leaving.

Even if they can't convince the person to stay....don't sugar coat it and say it's "OK".  Don't make them feel it is all good to leave the Church and become less than what they have been called to be.  Don't be mean, but, perhaps a follow up or a show of concern would be of benefit.

Funny how people judge atheists, when they can't scienctifically prove God's existence. Wake up people. I believe in God. But I can;t offer any proof of his existence. Therefore judging and condemning atheists, doesn't sound sane.
We can come close to proving the existence of God once you calculate the odds of life arising randomly.

This short You tube will take you through the numbers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSmV2FlHDw
No.  Because then you must calculate the odds of an all-powerful being with no beginning, existing.
 

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Marc1152 said:
tweety234 said:
LizaSymonenko said:
That may be true.

Therefore, the responsibility lies with the seminaries to ensure that the priests are prepared to handle these situations and are willing to dedicate the time to their flocks.

Personally, I am always surprised to read that people have gone to their priest and told them they just "aren't happy" and will start skipping Liturgy....and the response is "OK".

???

That just baffles me.  It's not okay.  Perhaps the person needs additional attention and care.  I can't believe the sheep is leaving the flock and it's okay.  This has occurred more than once, as multiple posters have posted pretty much the same response given them from their clergy when told they were leaving.

Even if they can't convince the person to stay....don't sugar coat it and say it's "OK".  Don't make them feel it is all good to leave the Church and become less than what they have been called to be.  Don't be mean, but, perhaps a follow up or a show of concern would be of benefit.

Funny how people judge atheists, when they can't scienctifically prove God's existence. Wake up people. I believe in God. But I can;t offer any proof of his existence. Therefore judging and condemning atheists, doesn't sound sane.
We can come close to proving the existence of God once you calculate the odds of life arising randomly.

This short You tube will take you through the numbers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSmV2FlHDw
This is ridiculous (I didn't watch it).

Can PtA name the fallacy here?
 

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God-of-the-Gaps Fallacy? Possibly either the Gambler's Fallacy or Inverse Gamber's Fallacy as well--I get the two mixed up.
 

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orthonorm said:
Marc1152 said:
tweety234 said:
LizaSymonenko said:
That may be true.

Therefore, the responsibility lies with the seminaries to ensure that the priests are prepared to handle these situations and are willing to dedicate the time to their flocks.

Personally, I am always surprised to read that people have gone to their priest and told them they just "aren't happy" and will start skipping Liturgy....and the response is "OK".

???

That just baffles me.  It's not okay.  Perhaps the person needs additional attention and care.  I can't believe the sheep is leaving the flock and it's okay.  This has occurred more than once, as multiple posters have posted pretty much the same response given them from their clergy when told they were leaving.

Even if they can't convince the person to stay....don't sugar coat it and say it's "OK".  Don't make them feel it is all good to leave the Church and become less than what they have been called to be.  Don't be mean, but, perhaps a follow up or a show of concern would be of benefit.

Funny how people judge atheists, when they can't scienctifically prove God's existence. Wake up people. I believe in God. But I can;t offer any proof of his existence. Therefore judging and condemning atheists, doesn't sound sane.
We can come close to proving the existence of God once you calculate the odds of life arising randomly.

This short You tube will take you through the numbers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSmV2FlHDw
This is ridiculous (I didn't watch it).

Can PtA name the fallacy here?
This is a persuasive argument against random development, or for intelligent design. However, it does not prove existence of God.
 

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Carl Kraeff (Second Chance) said:
orthonorm said:
Marc1152 said:
tweety234 said:
LizaSymonenko said:
That may be true.

Therefore, the responsibility lies with the seminaries to ensure that the priests are prepared to handle these situations and are willing to dedicate the time to their flocks.

Personally, I am always surprised to read that people have gone to their priest and told them they just "aren't happy" and will start skipping Liturgy....and the response is "OK".

???

That just baffles me.  It's not okay.  Perhaps the person needs additional attention and care.  I can't believe the sheep is leaving the flock and it's okay.  This has occurred more than once, as multiple posters have posted pretty much the same response given them from their clergy when told they were leaving.

Even if they can't convince the person to stay....don't sugar coat it and say it's "OK".  Don't make them feel it is all good to leave the Church and become less than what they have been called to be.  Don't be mean, but, perhaps a follow up or a show of concern would be of benefit.

Funny how people judge atheists, when they can't scienctifically prove God's existence. Wake up people. I believe in God. But I can;t offer any proof of his existence. Therefore judging and condemning atheists, doesn't sound sane.
We can come close to proving the existence of God once you calculate the odds of life arising randomly.

This short You tube will take you through the numbers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSmV2FlHDw
This is ridiculous (I didn't watch it).

Can PtA name the fallacy here?
This is a persuasive argument against random development, or for intelligent design. However, it does not prove existence of God.
It is not actually. It is a test which proves people consistently lack some of the most basic reasoning skills.
 

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My problem with the whole thing about order and randomness in regards to the God debate is how exactly do we define "order" and "disorder"? Those are manmade constructs to describe the natural way things are. In reality, one could argue that there is NOTHING unique about the way our universe is because it could have just as easily been entirely different--all the laws of nature, logic and everything as we know it could have just as easily been different. It's like throwing out a deck of cards, pulling a random card out and having it be an Ace. In reality, there is nothing special about it--it was an equal chance that it could have been any of the cards in the deck. The uniqueness to the card is merely the result of the MANMADE value we ascribe to the Ace--but in reality it could have just as easily been a 6 or a Jack etc. I imagine one could argue that the universe is the same way.
 

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orthonorm said:
Carl Kraeff (Second Chance) said:
orthonorm said:
Marc1152 said:
tweety234 said:
LizaSymonenko said:
That may be true.

Therefore, the responsibility lies with the seminaries to ensure that the priests are prepared to handle these situations and are willing to dedicate the time to their flocks.

Personally, I am always surprised to read that people have gone to their priest and told them they just "aren't happy" and will start skipping Liturgy....and the response is "OK".

???

That just baffles me.  It's not okay.  Perhaps the person needs additional attention and care.  I can't believe the sheep is leaving the flock and it's okay.  This has occurred more than once, as multiple posters have posted pretty much the same response given them from their clergy when told they were leaving.

Even if they can't convince the person to stay....don't sugar coat it and say it's "OK".  Don't make them feel it is all good to leave the Church and become less than what they have been called to be.  Don't be mean, but, perhaps a follow up or a show of concern would be of benefit.

Funny how people judge atheists, when they can't scienctifically prove God's existence. Wake up people. I believe in God. But I can;t offer any proof of his existence. Therefore judging and condemning atheists, doesn't sound sane.
We can come close to proving the existence of God once you calculate the odds of life arising randomly.

This short You tube will take you through the numbers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSmV2FlHDw
This is ridiculous (I didn't watch it).

Can PtA name the fallacy here?
This is a persuasive argument against random development, or for intelligent design. However, it does not prove existence of God.
It is not actually. It is a test which proves people consistently lack some of the most basic reasoning skills.
By the word "actually," are you claiming superior knowledge and reasoning abilities?
 

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JamesRottnek said:
Marc1152 said:
tweety234 said:
LizaSymonenko said:
That may be true.

Therefore, the responsibility lies with the seminaries to ensure that the priests are prepared to handle these situations and are willing to dedicate the time to their flocks.

Personally, I am always surprised to read that people have gone to their priest and told them they just "aren't happy" and will start skipping Liturgy....and the response is "OK".

???

That just baffles me.  It's not okay.  Perhaps the person needs additional attention and care.  I can't believe the sheep is leaving the flock and it's okay.  This has occurred more than once, as multiple posters have posted pretty much the same response given them from their clergy when told they were leaving.

Even if they can't convince the person to stay....don't sugar coat it and say it's "OK".  Don't make them feel it is all good to leave the Church and become less than what they have been called to be.  Don't be mean, but, perhaps a follow up or a show of concern would be of benefit.

Funny how people judge atheists, when they can't scienctifically prove God's existence. Wake up people. I believe in God. But I can;t offer any proof of his existence. Therefore judging and condemning atheists, doesn't sound sane.
We can come close to proving the existence of God once you calculate the odds of life arising randomly.

This short You tube will take you through the numbers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSmV2FlHDw
No.  Because then you must calculate the odds of an all-powerful being with no beginning, existing.
Yes, Because we just calculated the odds of life arising randomly and it appears to be impossible.. Therefore, it was not random chance but rather by purposeful design.
 

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Carl Kraeff (Second Chance) said:
orthonorm said:
Marc1152 said:
tweety234 said:
LizaSymonenko said:
That may be true.

Therefore, the responsibility lies with the seminaries to ensure that the priests are prepared to handle these situations and are willing to dedicate the time to their flocks.

Personally, I am always surprised to read that people have gone to their priest and told them they just "aren't happy" and will start skipping Liturgy....and the response is "OK".

???

That just baffles me.  It's not okay.  Perhaps the person needs additional attention and care.  I can't believe the sheep is leaving the flock and it's okay.  This has occurred more than once, as multiple posters have posted pretty much the same response given them from their clergy when told they were leaving.

Even if they can't convince the person to stay....don't sugar coat it and say it's "OK".  Don't make them feel it is all good to leave the Church and become less than what they have been called to be.  Don't be mean, but, perhaps a follow up or a show of concern would be of benefit.

Funny how people judge atheists, when they can't scienctifically prove God's existence. Wake up people. I believe in God. But I can;t offer any proof of his existence. Therefore judging and condemning atheists, doesn't sound sane.
We can come close to proving the existence of God once you calculate the odds of life arising randomly.

This short You tube will take you through the numbers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSmV2FlHDw
This is ridiculous (I didn't watch it).

Can PtA name the fallacy here?
This is a persuasive argument against random development, or for intelligent design. However, it does not prove existence of God.
Right. It strongly implies the existence of God in a way that is hard to refute.

"Prove" you exist..  :)
 

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Carl Kraeff (Second Chance) said:
orthonorm said:
Carl Kraeff (Second Chance) said:
orthonorm said:
Marc1152 said:
tweety234 said:
LizaSymonenko said:
That may be true.

Therefore, the responsibility lies with the seminaries to ensure that the priests are prepared to handle these situations and are willing to dedicate the time to their flocks.

Personally, I am always surprised to read that people have gone to their priest and told them they just "aren't happy" and will start skipping Liturgy....and the response is "OK".

???

That just baffles me.  It's not okay.  Perhaps the person needs additional attention and care.  I can't believe the sheep is leaving the flock and it's okay.  This has occurred more than once, as multiple posters have posted pretty much the same response given them from their clergy when told they were leaving.

Even if they can't convince the person to stay....don't sugar coat it and say it's "OK".  Don't make them feel it is all good to leave the Church and become less than what they have been called to be.  Don't be mean, but, perhaps a follow up or a show of concern would be of benefit.

Funny how people judge atheists, when they can't scienctifically prove God's existence. Wake up people. I believe in God. But I can;t offer any proof of his existence. Therefore judging and condemning atheists, doesn't sound sane.
We can come close to proving the existence of God once you calculate the odds of life arising randomly.

This short You tube will take you through the numbers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSmV2FlHDw
This is ridiculous (I didn't watch it).

Can PtA name the fallacy here?
This is a persuasive argument against random development, or for intelligent design. However, it does not prove existence of God.
It is not actually. It is a test which proves people consistently lack some of the most basic reasoning skills.
By the word "actually," are you claiming superior knowledge and reasoning abilities?
In this case, yes. Because I see how ridiculous this is and how it rests on faulty reasoning, while others here think whatever in the video has merit.

What's really amazing, I haven't even watched the thing.
 
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