Vatican Continues to bless ‘Uniatism and Sheep Stealing’ in India

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Deacon Lance said:
serb1389 said:
  Orthodox Christians being brought to the Catholic church
That is the claim.  Where is the proof?  The article doesn't even talk about sheep stealing, only about the Archbishop using the title Catholicos.  Why this would entice anyone to join the Syro-Malankar Catholic Church I have no idea.
Unfortunately I do not have proof.  Just first hand accounts from Malankara christians from that area. 

I should have also stated earlier that the root of my rant is not necessarily the article itself, but rather those accounts from friends i've had who have told me about the aggressive nature of the RC's in orthodox areas. 

Perhaps since I do not have proof, I should tone down my rhetoric...?
 

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choy said:
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Well what you are asking is actually a much bigger question.  I tend to ride with the Spermatikos Logos theology of St. Justin Martyr, as a response to whether or not all people have the ability to be good & to be good Christians.  Then we get into the issue of ethics.  But in order to engage in ethics we must first agree that ethics are not personal but rather more universal.  If we take a look at the 10 commandments for example, we are told to not covet our neighbors things.  Here we have our neighbor, covering our things.  Orthodox Christians being brought to the Catholic church
And that is my question.  You say they actually act like Christians.  So it shouldn't be a problem if they are in the Catholic Church or they are in the Orthodox Church.  If they are good Christians, so what?
So what?  the issue is one of saying to a group of christians:  "no, you're not really christians, we are really christians".  That is wrong.  Whether or not they end up as saints in the RC church or the OO or EO church, is not the point of my contention.  Rather, my point is that veering people away from their church, for another church, is wrong.  Especially if you are doing it on purpose. 
 

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I have to confess, to me the complaints about Uniatism sound an awful lot like an army going into a battle and then saying "Oh no! They're shooting at us!"

Of course they are. You don't have to like it, you don't have to think they're in the right, but as long as the Roman Catholic Church believes she is the One True Church, this is what she will do. Does not the Orthodox Church accept converts from the Roman Catholic Church? Does she not have a Western Rite?

Although some of the tactics historically used by Uniate hierarchs and those associated with them were despicable, the mere existence of the Unia seems to me no more something to be upset about than the fact that the enemy shoots back in the aforementioned battle.
 

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OrthoNoob said:
I have to confess, to me the complaints about Uniatism sound an awful lot like an army going into a battle and then saying "Oh no! They're shooting at us!"

Of course they are. You don't have to like it, you don't have to think they're in the right, but as long as the Roman Catholic Church believes she is the One True Church, this is what she will do. Does not the Orthodox Church accept converts from the Roman Catholic Church? Does she not have a Western Rite?

Although some of the tactics historically used by Uniate hierarchs and those associated with them were despicable, the mere existence of the Unia seems to me no more something to be upset about than the fact that the enemy shoots back in the aforementioned battle.
OF course Rome ain't the monolith most of us assume her to be.  The official line from Rome as expressed to us in various consultations and pronouncements since Vatican 2 is that the Greek Catholics are not supposed to 'poach' Orthodox faithful in Orthodox lands. The message is not always accepted or followed in some parts of the world by the more zealous among their flock. The problem is, of course,defining what is 'poaching' and what is normal pastoral behavior. Seeking members from among the un-churched or slightly churched may be seen as poaching by one 'side' but not to another. That's the 'problem' with freedom of religion.

Also, there are plenty of Greek Catholics in Europe who are still alive in Slovakia and Ukraine who would view the tactics of some Orthodox hierarchs following the end of the second world war who were complicit with the Communist regimes in their efforts to 'liquidate' the Greek Catholic church as being 'despicable.' Bad behavior by one side does not call for equally bad behavior by the other.
 

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ialmisry said:
is this news?
No it is NOT news.  It is taken from a blog on the internet.  I trust the moderators will intervene.  We have to distinguish between news and a blogger's opinion.
 

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IreneOlinyk said:
ialmisry said:
is this news?
No it is NOT news.  It is taken from a blog on the internet.  I trust the moderators will intervene.  We have to distinguish between news and a blogger's opinion.
The news IMO opinion is the ANNOUNCEMENT of the Catholicos

But I do see your point about how it is a blog post, not "technically" the news itself.  I will get back to you all about this soon
 
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