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Vatican investing gold of Orthodox died in death-camps in wars against Orthodox

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orthodoxlurker said:
ozgeorge said:
Nobody has said that this is a half-baked conspiracy, you just think they have.
orthodoxlurker said:
Veniamin said:
So because no one takes your half-baked conspiracies seriously, we should ban you from participating? 
Silly me.

Here is the film about pooling the golden teeth out. By Ustashe. From the victims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE06Rg6I_co&feature=related

Part from 1:27 to 2:00

Of course, expecting from Veniamint to produce a comment after this would be yet another silliness on my part.
You're not listening orthodoxlurker. Let me try again. In regards to the Ustashi pulling gold teeth from their victims:
ozgeorge said:
Nobody has said that this is a half-baked conspiracy, you just think they have.

Do you understand now? Veniamin did not say the teeth didn't exist, so proving they did is pointless- you're just creating a strawman to beat up. And if you have any doubts that what I am saying is true, look at what you posted to "prove" your interpretation of Veniamin's meaning....you simply posted your own interpretation of it........sigh.....
 

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PeterTheAleut said:
My question is what you hope to accomplish by preaching this whenever you have the chance. 
How many times are you going to ask the same question, and how many times I should actually care and respond?

orthodoxlurker said:
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PeterTheAleut said:
I just don't see why you even need to bring this up on our discussion forum. 
See, I usually avoid to do it. Except:

a) it was a news, contrary to your view:

PeterTheAleut said:
Well, seeing that this ISN'T news, it certainly doesn't belong in Christian News now, does it?
b) I usually feel inspiration to do it when I hear statements of Mrt. Zlizloulas published by asianews.it (I guess you know what I mean; if you don't I'll give you a hint: we are at a turning point)

c) I'm compelled to do it in front of such statements:
Veniamin said:
Plus you sitting in judgment right now.  However, since we don't have a section entitled "OL's dumb conspiracies," Free for All will have to suffice. ::)
and such ones:

Veniamin said:
Try truth instead of falsehood.  For once.
...

I realize this isn't the subject you love to hear. So, here is my proposal: Change the rules of the board. Limit it to Orthodox inhabitants of English-speaking world. Or to Western world. Or to ecumenists. Or to all but Serbs. Or whatever.
 

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ozgeorge said:
You're not listening orthodoxlurker. Let me try again. In regards to the Ustashi pulling gold teeth from their victims:
ozgeorge said:
Nobody has said that this is a half-baked conspiracy, you just think they have.

Do you understand now? Veniamin did not say the teeth didn't exist, ...



You became his spokesman?

BTW, in this very thread, under the avalanche of trolls, I presented the evidence (Veniami likes to seek "eye witness") about:

a) Ustasha's loot;

a.1) Gold extracted from golden teeth of the victims that was part of the loot;

b) Deposition of the loot in Vatican Bank after WW2;

c) The fact that some diamonds were part of the arms deal between Croatia and unnamed dealer during the war 1991-1995, with well-known fact about UN arms embargo in force during that time;

d) Speculation in Croatian newspapers that the diamonds were part of WW2 loot;

d.1) Claim by the very same Croatian newspapers that the diamonds were handed over to late Croatian President Tudjman by late Croatian Catholic Archbishop Kuharic;

e) Assassination of the daughter of the defense attorney of the accused for embezzlement of the diamonds.

Now, instead of addressing a bunch of non-related issues, I'm eager to read some responses with merit.
 

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PeterTheAleut said:
orthodoxlurker said:
How many times are you going to ask the same question,
As many times as it takes for you to see what you're really doing here.
Ban me.

I'm speaking the truth. Besides, I'm quoting a Saint.

 

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We don't ban people for not being literate enough to comprehend that their own article is talking about diamonds taken from Jews rather than gold taken from Orthodox.
 

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orthodoxlurker said:
Now, instead of addressing a bunch of non-related issues, I'm eager to read some responses with merit.
Post something with merit, and you'll receive responses with merit.
 

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orthodoxlurker said:
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Not to put too fine  point on it, but someone who puts up a video titled "Nazi Germany - A Creation of the Vatican and Jesuits" is a crank.
There is no such a title in the video to which I posted the link. The title of it reads "Catholic Inquisition in Jasenovac".
The person who put up the video to which you linked also put up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9zBX4gt0eo, which is titled exactly as I have described.
 

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Keble said:
The person who put up the video to which you linked also put up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9zBX4gt0eo, which is titled exactly as I have described.
Thank you for the link. Unfortunately, I don't have time to see it, assuming I already know most of what's presented there. If you think it worth, start your own thread, I might drop a line.

I linked the above video in one single narrow context - to present visual evidence about the undisputed historical fact, proved many times, that Ustashas dug golden teeth out of their victims. I had to, although it is as clear as the water is wet, since my mention of it was branded as "half-baked conspiracy".

Therefore, everything not related to 1:29 - 2:00 footage is simply of no merit to the discussion.
 

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ozgeorge said:
The Ustashi were inhuman, I would say demonic,
Agreed.

Their spiritual father, the official army chappellan / confessor (I probably can't refer to his title properly in English) Alojzije Stepinac was proclaimed blessed several years ago, by Pope Woytila.

Orthodox hierarchy visit the council of Roman Pope, kiss and hug with them and call them brothers with whom they want to unite.

Are you saying Orthodox hierarchy want to unite with people whose saints bore demonic spiritual children?
 

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orthodoxlurker said:
Keble said:
The person who put up the video to which you linked also put up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9zBX4gt0eo, which is titled exactly as I have described.
Thank you for the link. Unfortunately, I don't have time to see it, assuming I already know most of what's presented there. If you think it worth, start your own thread, I might drop a line.

I linked the above video in one single narrow context - to present visual evidence about the undisputed historical fact, proved many times, that Ustashas dug golden teeth out of their victims. I had to, although it is as clear as the water is wet, since my mention of it was branded as "half-baked conspiracy".

Therefore, everything not related to 1:29 - 2:00 footage is simply of no merit to the discussion.
Here is another interesting link regarding this subject matter -

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/croatia/stepinac1.htm

Orthodoc



 

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orthodoxlurker said:
Are you saying Orthodox hierarchy want to unite with people whose saints bore demonic spiritual children?
Yeah, that's right, that's exactly what I'm saying.
And for our get togethers, we should all dance naked around a dead goat. ::)
 

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orthodoxlurker said:
Are you saying Orthodox hierarchy want to unite with people whose saints bore demonic spiritual children?
And why would these people want to return to a Church whose faithful keep beating them up for the sins of their fathers?
 

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PeterTheAleut said:
orthodoxlurker said:
Are you saying Orthodox hierarchy want to unite with people whose saints bore demonic spiritual children?
And why would these people want to return to a Church whose faithful keep beating them up for the sins of their fathers?
I know better now, but at one time, form the outside looking in, it really did look like a great deal of Orthodox Christians just didn't like Catholics.
 

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It's not that we don't like the catholics ,,it's the catholic church and the popes that we don't care for  ,that's all.....history speaks volumes.............<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/17/17_1_29.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
 

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PeterTheAleut said:
orthodoxlurker said:
Are you saying Orthodox hierarchy want to unite with people whose saints bore demonic spiritual children?
And why would these people want to return to a Church whose faithful keep beating them up for the sins of their fathers?
Perhaps for reducing chances to become demonic by escaping reverence of spiritual father of those who committed those sins, whom blessed those sins, and whom their Pope beatified recently, proclaiming those were not sins, but good deeds in accordance with their theology?
 

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ozgeorge said:
orthodoxlurker said:
Are you saying Orthodox hierarchy want to unite with people whose saints bore demonic spiritual children?
Yeah, that's right, that's exactly what I'm saying.
And for our get togethers, we should all dance naked around a dead goat. ::)
Is that "the turning point" Mrt. Zlizloulas referred to in his interview to asiatimes.it ?
 

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orthodoxlurker said:
Is that "the turning point" Mrt. Zlizloulas referred to in his interview to asiatimes.it ?
I'm sure it is. Now, please excuse me,  but I have to get back to painting my pentagram on the floor before the blood from the animal sacrifice dries.
 

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ozgeorge said:
Now, please excuse me,  but I have to get back to painting my pentagram on the floor before the blood from the animal sacrifice dries.
After such "turning point" it's a matter of time when you, or your offspring, would paint it by the blood of Orthodox, if God allows it again.

Just like Ustashe, whom were the first, second or third generation of Orthodox converts to Roman Catholicism.
 

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orthodoxlurker said:
ozgeorge said:
Now, please excuse me,  but I have to get back to painting my pentagram on the floor before the blood from the animal sacrifice dries.
After such "turning point" it's a matter of time when you, or your offspring, would paint it by the blood of Orthodox, if God allows it again.

Just like Ustashe, whom were the first, second or third generation of Orthodox converts to Roman Catholicism.
Absolutely.
 

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ozgeorge said:
orthodoxlurker said:
Is that "the turning point" Mrt. Zlizloulas referred to in his interview to asiatimes.it ?
I'm sure it is. Now, please excuse me,  but I have to get back to painting my pentagram on the floor before the blood from the animal sacrifice dries.
EEEK!  George, George, George!!!

You're supposed to paint the pentagram BEFORE the animal sacrifice in order to keep the summoned demon confined within its circle.

Dear, oh dear, you've gone and done it now!  Where are you getting your rituals from, a black metal album? ;)
 

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Schultz said:
ozgeorge said:
orthodoxlurker said:
Is that "the turning point" Mrt. Zlizloulas referred to in his interview to asiatimes.it ?
I'm sure it is. Now, please excuse me,  but I have to get back to painting my pentagram on the floor before the blood from the animal sacrifice dries.
EEEK!  George, George, George!!!

You're supposed to paint the pentagram BEFORE the animal sacrifice in order to keep the summoned demon confined within its circle.

Dear, oh dear, you've gone and done it now!  Where are you getting your rituals from, a black metal album? ;)
Whoops.
 

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If we're going to throw authorities around here, I would prefer to stick with someone like the US state department than a crank with a bunch of youtube videos.
 

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(Should I even dare thinking this, unless I'm able to convince PtA and ozGeorge, in all their ignorance and malice?!?)
It's not that I don't know what you're talking about or that I don't believe you.  I just don't see why you even need to bring this up on our discussion forum.  Do you honestly think that your continued efforts to repeat the litany of atrocities committed against you and your people will contribute ANYTHING for our salvation?  What happened to "forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors"?

It took less than a year for me to be able to remind you that this is against the foreign policy, since I credited the sources, as determined by the joint efforts of Fr. Chris and PeterTheAleut (a moderator). See:
PeterTheAleut said:
PeterTheAleut said:
Irish Hermit said:
Would you be able to supply the documents which Dolskaya references?  This is Forum policy although I can appreciate that it is not always possible.
Irish Hermit, I suspect you may be misrepresenting Forum policy with this statement, since I'm only aware that Pravoslav09 must credit the documents that he himself has referenced, which he has done quite consistently on this thread.  I'm not aware of any policy that requires him to supply the documents that the authors of his sources have referenced.  I'm currently reviewing Forum rules on this, but in the meantime, if you are intentionally misrepresenting Forum policy, you need to stop now.  If you want to discuss this with me, please do so via private message.
After clarifying this point of policy further with Fr. Chris, the rule of source documentation is merely that Pravoslav09 (as well as Irish Hermit) must credit his sources, which he has done.  This policy does not extend to the sources his sources have used, so he bears no requirement to supply any documents that the authors of his sources have referenced.  To ask him to do this therefore goes beyond the scope of Forum policy on this matter.
 

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Keble said:
If we're going to throw authorities around here, I would prefer to stick with someone like the US state department than a crank with a bunch of youtube videos.
Well, that's nice. And report does offer some insight.

But imagine, you are posting on the same board, and may have already have some conversation, with a poster whose parents were captive in that concentration camp where golden teeth were being taken out of the victims (and no, I am not that poster).

Pfef, but he is not a credited source.
 Orthodoxlurker---

This is the third occaison you have discussed crediting sources, and as such have involed upon yourself the following http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,13455.0.htmlBoard Policy:[/url



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stashko said:
It's not that we don't like the catholics ,,it's the catholic church and the popes that we don't care for  ,that's all.....history speaks volumes.............<img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/17/17_1_29.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0">
oooooooooook stahko, it all makes sense to me now ::)
 

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Did you know that allien abductions are actually part of the vaticans plot to take over the world?
 
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