Was the Protestant Reformation necessary?

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From an Eastern Orthodox viewpoint, was the Protestant Reformation of the 16th Century necessary?

Please write yes or no, along with any comments.
 

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Well, reformation was needed, but I don't think Protestantism was the answer.  I suppose it was good in the sense it resulted in the counter reformation within the Roman Catholic Church, but not much else, IMO.
 

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I agree with Kerdy. A reformation was needed, and still is. The Reformation, however, was more deformation than the required remedy. It certainly wasn't desirable from an Orthodox viewpoint as it resulted in a plethora of heretical sects.

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Kerdy said:
I suppose it was good in the sense it resulted in the counter reformation within the Roman Catholic Church
Like Union of Brest? Persecuting the Orthodox?
 

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The Reformation was not uniform--perhaps ReformationS would be more accurate. The three classical versions are 'Reformed', Lutheran, and Anglican; and then there were various versions of the Radical Reformation.  Some forms were more conservative than others; and some threw more baby out with the bath water so to speak.  To that extent, certain aspects associated with the Protestant Reformation can be considered 'Deformations' (as another poster called it). 

I can't recall who said it, but someone once called the Reformation a "tragic necessity"--Romanists too often don't recognize the necessity, and Protestants too often don't recognize the tragedy.
 

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Kerdy said:
Well, reformation was needed, but I don't think Protestantism was the answer.  I suppose it was good in the sense it resulted in the counter reformation within the Roman Catholic Church, but not much else, IMO.
My opinion is that the counter Reformation did more damage than the Reformation itself.  I believe this is where the Roman Catholic Church significantly left the ancient traditions of the Church (which is why I find it funny that RC traditionalists cling to Trent, rather than an older tradition).  I feel that Rome starting having "Reformation-phobia" and when presented with a choice of clinging to an older tradition that has either been attacked or embraced by Reformationists, or to do something new, they chose to do something new.  So the Church didn't stay true to herself, and instead started redefining ancient Christian belief in a non-Protestant way to separate herself from the Reformationists.
 

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kx9 said:
From an Eastern Orthodox viewpoint, was the Protestant Reformation of the 16th Century necessary?

Please write yes or no, along with any comments.
I say "yes", but that the way the Protestants did it is completely wrong.
 

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The Reformation was a missed opportunity. What if the Lutherans and Anglicans would have gone Orthodox instead?
 

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Cyrillic said:
The Reformation was a missed opportunity. What if the Lutherans and Anglicans would have gone Orthodox instead?
Considering some of Martin Luther's views, I'd say that would have been unlikely.

If someone else started the Reformation, then that might have been a possibility.
 

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sheenj said:
Cyrillic said:
The Reformation was a missed opportunity. What if the Lutherans and Anglicans would have gone Orthodox instead?
Considering some of Martin Luther's views, I'd say that would have been unlikely.
Melanchton was the true leader of the Lutherans and he was much closer to the Orthodox.
 

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Cyrillic said:
The Reformation was a missed opportunity. What if the Lutherans and Anglicans would have gone Orthodox instead?
I read that they tried.  Luther was in contact if I am not mistaken, with the Patriarch of Antioch.  Eventually the Patriarch was so frustrated with Luther's insistence on his theology that in his final letter, he asked Luther not to write back to him again.
 

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Doubting Thomas said:
The Reformation was not uniform--perhaps ReformationS would be more accurate. The three classical versions are 'Reformed', Lutheran, and Anglican; and then there were various versions of the Radical Reformation.  Some forms were more conservative than others; and some threw more baby out with the bath water so to speak.  To that extent, certain aspects associated with the Protestant Reformation can be considered 'Deformations' (as another poster called it). 

I can't recall who said it, but someone once called the Reformation a "tragic necessity"--Romanists too often don't recognize the necessity, and Protestants too often don't recognize the tragedy.
agreed. "The Reformation" is an historical misnomer for an unending happening. All those involved have been reforming ever since.
 

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choy said:
Cyrillic said:
The Reformation was a missed opportunity. What if the Lutherans and Anglicans would have gone Orthodox instead?
I read that they tried.  Luther was in contact if I am not mistaken, with the Patriarch of Antioch.  Eventually the Patriarch was so frustrated with Luther's insistence on his theology that in his final letter, he asked Luther not to write back to him again.
The Tubingen Lutherans contacted Ecumenical Patriarch Jeremiah II. Small correction  ;)
 

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choy said:
Cyrillic said:
The Reformation was a missed opportunity. What if the Lutherans and Anglicans would have gone Orthodox instead?
I read that they tried.  Luther was in contact if I am not mistaken, with the Patriarch of Antioch.  Eventually the Patriarch was so frustrated with Luther's insistence on his theology that in his final letter, he asked Luther not to write back to him again.
Close but no cigar... According to Fr. Damick The second generation Lutherans approached the EP and wrote over the course of several years before said happened.
 

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Cyrillic said:
choy said:
Cyrillic said:
The Reformation was a missed opportunity. What if the Lutherans and Anglicans would have gone Orthodox instead?
I read that they tried.  Luther was in contact if I am not mistaken, with the Patriarch of Antioch.  Eventually the Patriarch was so frustrated with Luther's insistence on his theology that in his final letter, he asked Luther not to write back to him again.
The Tubingen Lutherans contacted Ecumenical Patriarch Jeremiah II. Small correction  ;)
Awe! Ya beat me to it!  :mad: ;)
 

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simplygermain said:
Cyrillic said:
choy said:
Cyrillic said:
The Reformation was a missed opportunity. What if the Lutherans and Anglicans would have gone Orthodox instead?
I read that they tried.  Luther was in contact if I am not mistaken, with the Patriarch of Antioch.  Eventually the Patriarch was so frustrated with Luther's insistence on his theology that in his final letter, he asked Luther not to write back to him again.
The Tubingen Lutherans contacted Ecumenical Patriarch Jeremiah II. Small correction  ;)
Awe! Ya beat me to it!  :mad: ;)
 

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Cyrillic said:
choy said:
Cyrillic said:
The Reformation was a missed opportunity. What if the Lutherans and Anglicans would have gone Orthodox instead?
I read that they tried.  Luther was in contact if I am not mistaken, with the Patriarch of Antioch.  Eventually the Patriarch was so frustrated with Luther's insistence on his theology that in his final letter, he asked Luther not to write back to him again.
The Tubingen Lutherans contacted Ecumenical Patriarch Jeremiah II. Small correction  ;)
Oh, okay, thanks.  I read this in a book like ages ago (I'm reading the same book for 3 months now.  I know, slow reader).
 

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Cyrillic said:
The Reformation was a missed opportunity. What if the Lutherans and Anglicans would have gone Orthodox instead?
Some Anglicans <a href="http://pages.uoregon.edu/sshoemak/325/texts/nonjurors.htm">tried.</a>
 

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in my opinion, the reformation was not the problem but the reformers

it is important to remember that MLs intentions were to REFORM (hence, reformation) the CC.  And the origin of "protestant" comes from "protesting-catholic.  Unfortunately, MLs followers decided to just pick up a Bible and start their own church because they considered themselves to be infallible.  Pope Leo X should not have excommunicated Luther but rather think about it and pray and fast over the 95 thesis, ML made some GREAT points. 

in short, he should have kept the rulings of all seven Ecumenical Councils and not just the first four and done more (as well as Anglicans) to re-communicate with Holy Orthodoxy, but I'm glad Jeremiah II didn't get into the pan-heresy/offspring of all heresies
 

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Since many of you feel that the Refomation was necessary, but not done correctly, how would it have been if the EOC had carried out the Reformation against the Roman Catholic Church instead of the Protestants in the 16th Century?

Would the EOC have succeeded? (Resulting in reunification of the two Churches?)
 
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