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How are you going to remake Road House, what a crock of crap. Burn Hollywood burn!
 

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Iconodule said:
Volnutt said:
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The Monkey King

I don't know whether I've seen any film that would make so much sense as this. Also first Buddhist movie I've seen. Now I know than monkey demons can be cured by recitating the Buddha sutra.
Monkey demons?

You were possessed by monkeys?  :eek:
The Monkey King is a character of Chinese folklore- not a demon, per se.
Specifically he was made famous in the novel Journey to the West which has seen about a zillion opera, shadow puppet, film, comic book, and TV adaptations.
If either of you know any decent academic researches or introductions to Chinese folk Buddhism I'm open for suggestions. I becamed a bit ashamed that I don't know much about Buddhism and even less about how it's actually like.
 

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How are you going to remake Road House, what a crock of crap. Burn Hollywood burn!
Hollywood is running dry.  It's unwilling to take risks.  Didn't they remake Point Break?  I'm still waiting for a Citizen Kane trilogy.
 

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I think I'll finally see Ostrov today. I've been watching an awful lot of terror movies, but yesterday I watched this Irish film about a priest who is death threatened (Calvary) and now I'll keep my detox with Ostrov.
Oh man...I've already seen Ostrov and was going to watch Calvary.  Is it really a bad idea?
No, I misexpressed myself, it's a good film. I found it a bit pretentious, but it's still worth watching.
What a relief. 
 

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How are you going to remake Road House, what a crock of crap. Burn Hollywood burn!
Hollywood is running dry.  It's unwilling to take risks.  Didn't they remake Point Break?  I'm still waiting for a Citizen Kane trilogy.
Oh dear please leave CK alone. Just leave the classics alone.

Roger Ebert said it best, if you are gonna do remakes select bad movies to make them better.
 

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William T said:
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How are you going to remake Road House, what a crock of crap. Burn Hollywood burn!
Hollywood is running dry.  It's unwilling to take risks.  Didn't they remake Point Break?  I'm still waiting for a Citizen Kane trilogy.
Citizen Kane 2: This Time it's Personal
Citizen Kane 3: The Rosebuddening
 

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Volnutt said:
William T said:
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How are you going to remake Road House, what a crock of crap. Burn Hollywood burn!
Hollywood is running dry.  It's unwilling to take risks.  Didn't they remake Point Break?  I'm still waiting for a Citizen Kane trilogy.
Citizen Kane 2: This Time it's Personal
Citizen Kane 3: The Rosebuddening
lol, I was so close to saying somethng like that.  4: Comrade Kane, in Soviet Russia Sled Remember you! 5: Baron Kane, that's a heck of an act , what do you call it? Citizen Kane 6: Kane vs Mecha-Kane.
 

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How are you going to remake Road House, what a crock of crap. Burn Hollywood burn!
Hollywood is running dry.  It's unwilling to take risks.  Didn't they remake Point Break?  I'm still waiting for a Citizen Kane trilogy.
Oh dear please leave CK alone. Just leave the classics alone.

Roger Ebert said it best, if you are gonna do remakes select bad movies to make them better.
But point Break, top gun, and Roadhouse are a special kind of bad.  You can never remake Plan 9, it has a magic of it's own.
 

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Volnutt said:
William T said:
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How are you going to remake Road House, what a crock of crap. Burn Hollywood burn!
Hollywood is running dry.  It's unwilling to take risks.  Didn't they remake Point Break?  I'm still waiting for a Citizen Kane trilogy.
Citizen Kane 2: This Time it's Personal
Citizen Kane 3: The Rosebuddening
;D
 

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Alpo said:
Iconodule said:
Volnutt said:
biro said:
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The Monkey King

I don't know whether I've seen any film that would make so much sense as this. Also first Buddhist movie I've seen. Now I know than monkey demons can be cured by recitating the Buddha sutra.
Monkey demons?

You were possessed by monkeys?  :eek:
The Monkey King is a character of Chinese folklore- not a demon, per se.
Specifically he was made famous in the novel Journey to the West which has seen about a zillion opera, shadow puppet, film, comic book, and TV adaptations.
If either of you know any decent academic researches or introductions to Chinese folk Buddhism I'm open for suggestions. I becamed a bit ashamed that I don't know much about Buddhism and even less about how it's actually like.
There are a few overlapping but distinct subjects here: Buddhism as a distinct religion in China, Chinese folk religion which includes Buddhist ideas but a lot of other stuff too, and then the religion of Daoism which is also distinct but integral to Chinese folk religion.

For general Chinese Buddhism, I would recommend Yin Shun's book The Way to Buddhahood. It is a systematic presentation for laypeople of fundamental orthodox Mahayana Buddhist concepts by a well-respected monk and reformer. It won't tell much about the folk aspects because Yin Shun is trying to re-establish what he considers the pure Buddhadharma, so it is more a reference point. I found it dry but refreshingly straightforward. A general academic overview of Chinese folk religion is the short book by Laurence Thompson which came out in the 90's. There may be better books now but this is one I remember. For one look at how Daoism is practiced in modern Chinese society (Taiwan specifically) check out Michael Saso's book Taoist Master Chuang.  Also, the book Journey to the West is itself a really good introduction to the Chinese folk religious mindset and in turn has been very influential. You can also find stories of the Eight Immortals (there is a printed collected by Kwok Man-Ho which is good) and also read selected tales from Liaozhai Zhiyi (lots of ghost stories). There are plenty of movies too. A Chinese Ghost Story by Ching Siu-Tung is a really fun romp with some Chinese folk beliefs, starring the late and lamented Leslie Cheung. 
 

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Field of Dreams
Finding Nemo
Star Wars VII:  Force Awakens
Star Wars V:  EMpire Strikes Back
Star Trek II:  Wrath of Khan


I've seen all of these multiple times this last week mainly because my 3 year old son loves them
 

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Iconodule said:
Alpo said:
Iconodule said:
Volnutt said:
biro said:
Alpo said:
The Monkey King

I don't know whether I've seen any film that would make so much sense as this. Also first Buddhist movie I've seen. Now I know than monkey demons can be cured by recitating the Buddha sutra.
Monkey demons?

You were possessed by monkeys?  :eek:
The Monkey King is a character of Chinese folklore- not a demon, per se.
Specifically he was made famous in the novel Journey to the West which has seen about a zillion opera, shadow puppet, film, comic book, and TV adaptations.
If either of you know any decent academic researches or introductions to Chinese folk Buddhism I'm open for suggestions. I becamed a bit ashamed that I don't know much about Buddhism and even less about how it's actually like.
There are a few overlapping but distinct subjects here: Buddhism as a distinct religion in China, Chinese folk religion which includes Buddhist ideas but a lot of other stuff too, and then the religion of Daoism which is also distinct but integral to Chinese folk religion.

For general Chinese Buddhism, I would recommend Yin Shun's book The Way to Buddhahood. It is a systematic presentation for laypeople of fundamental orthodox Mahayana Buddhist concepts by a well-respected monk and reformer. It won't tell much about the folk aspects because Yin Shun is trying to re-establish what he considers the pure Buddhadharma, so it is more a reference point. I found it dry but refreshingly straightforward. A general academic overview of Chinese folk religion is the short book by Laurence Thompson which came out in the 90's. There may be better books now but this is one I remember. For one look at how Daoism is practiced in modern Chinese society (Taiwan specifically) check out Michael Saso's book Taoist Master Chuang.  Also, the book Journey to the West is itself a really good introduction to the Chinese folk religious mindset and in turn has been very influential. You can also find stories of the Eight Immortals (there is a printed collected by Kwok Man-Ho which is good) and also read selected tales from Liaozhai Zhiyi (lots of ghost stories). There are plenty of movies too. A Chinese Ghost Story by Ching Siu-Tung is a really fun romp with some Chinese folk beliefs, starring the late and lamented Leslie Cheung. 
Thanks. In this case I was more interested in how Buddhism is actually like in real-world Chinese folks instead of how it ought to be like in theory. I do realize that there are many aspects to be considered but since AFAIK Chinese are syncretists I don't mind syncretism here and there. Thank you for suggestions. I'm a lazy reader of which I'm ashamed but I will check whether your suggestions are available around here.
 

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I like to watch porn movies.
Then go to the mirror, strip down, look and see: it's no big thing and it ain't nothing special. That ends the porn moment for today.
 

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Am I just being nostalgic or is it just a fact that as far as Disney hand animation is concerned Lion King was the last truly great film?  Mulan, Hercules, Hunchback and Tarzan were OK, but too formulaic with no great music, animation, or story.  The Frog Princess had the perfect idea and setting, and really raised my expectations but it seemed merely above average and kind of rote with no great songs written by someone who should not have written the songs (which is a missed opportunity). The animation didn't seem all too great either.  I think the older stuff had more of a classic Broadway or musical sense to it that the other films don't seem to have.

I get that a couple Disney CGI stuff is top notch, I just miss the hand animation.
 

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William T said:
Am I just being nostalgic or is it just a fact that as far as Disney hand animation is concerned Lion King was the last truly great film?  Mulan, Hercules, Hunchback and Tarzan were OK, but too formulaic with no great music, animation, or story.  The Frog Princess had the perfect idea and setting, and really raised my expectations but it seemed merely above average and kind of rote with no great songs written by someone who should not have written the songs (which is a missed opportunity). 

I get that a couple Disney CGI stuff is top notch, I just miss the hand animation.
Yep exactly. I was browsing Netflix the other night and saw Atlantis was on there (I've never seen it) but I turned it off after 30 seconds. The animation was awful. Disney's direct-to-video sequels were better animated than that crap.

People say Atlantis or Treasure Planet were to blame for the demise of the traditional hand animation Disney flick, but I agree with you I think it was right after Lion King.

Even that said though, watching some of those old Disney movies I knew as a kid haven't aged well.
 

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Am I just being nostalgic or is it just a fact that as far as Disney hand animation is concerned Lion King was the last truly great film?  Mulan, Hercules, Hunchback and Tarzan were OK, but too formulaic with no great music, animation, or story.  The Frog Princess had the perfect idea and setting, and really raised my expectations but it seemed merely above average and kind of rote with no great songs written by someone who should not have written the songs (which is a missed opportunity). 

I get that a couple Disney CGI stuff is top notch, I just miss the hand animation.
Yep exactly. I was browsing Netflix the other night and saw Atlantis was on there (I've never seen it) but I turned it off after 30 seconds. The animation was awful. Disney's direct-to-video sequels were better animated than that crap.

People say Atlantis or Treasure Planet were to blame for the demise of the traditional hand animation Disney flick, but I agree with you I think it was right after Lion King.

Even that said though, watching some of those old Disney movies I knew as a kid haven't aged well.
I think it happened with Pocahontas.  I think I remember reading awhile back there was some kind of staff change.  I'm not sure if it's true.  It's interesting to think of what holds up after time.  A lot of 80's / 90's nostalgia does not hold up well.  There was some interesting hand animation though like The Last Unicorn (with the soundtrack done laughably by the folk rock band America),  American Tale, and Secret of Nihm (which was horrifying if you saw that when you 4).  I only think one or two of those might be able to compete with the best of Disney, but they were decent in their own right.

I think since the movie theater was more dominate before the 70's, the quality of those films tend to hold better because there was a higher concentration of talent and things weren't nearly as milked for mass consumerism and production so was there wasn't as much incentive to be ultra conservative and formulaic in order to turn a profit.  Also annoying is I think film companies rely more on celebrity (ex: phil collins writes disney songs, Eddie Murphy does Disney voices) than "unkown" more unique talent that is going to be better with voices, music, directing, etc.  So quality goes down.  It's a conservative mentality because it might be tougher for movies to turn a profit than it was before.  We may have been lucky to see movies like Beauty and the Beast...that may have been a fluke.

Either way, I miss hand drawn movie / musical animation.  I wonder if it's a thing of the past?
 

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Many Disney movies (Pocahontas, Mulan, Hercules, Lion King etc.).
Watched Aladdin the other night, sad to say it hasn't aged well. Should have just left that in my childhood
IMO, Alladin is one of the worst Disney's.
I'd like to see a top 10 best Disney movies list from you.
1. The Little Mermaid.
2. Pocahontas.
3. Hercules.
4. The Lion King.
5. The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
6. Frozen.
7. Mulan.
8. Beauty and the Beast.
9. Ratatouille.
10. Tangled.
10.5 Wreck-It Ralph.
10.(6) Wall-E.
 

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Many Disney movies (Pocahontas, Mulan, Hercules, Lion King etc.).
Watched Aladdin the other night, sad to say it hasn't aged well. Should have just left that in my childhood
IMO, Alladin is one of the worst Disney's.
I'd like to see a top 10 best Disney movies list from you.
1. The Little Mermaid.
2. Pocahontas.
3. Hercules.
4. The Lion King.
5. The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
6. Frozen.
7. Mulan.
8. Beauty and the Beast.
9. Ratatouille.
10. Tangled.
10.5 Wreck-It Ralph.
10.(6) Wall-E.
1. Little Mermaid
2. Fantasia
3. Aladain
4. Sleeping Beauty
5. Snow White
6. Bambi
7. Cinderella
8. Alice in Wonderland
9. 101 Dalmations
10. Lion King

I'm not throwing in live action or CGI (20,000 Leagues under the Sea and Mary Poppins were amazing though, as was the forgotten The Black Hole).  That's also how I rank it more leaning towards "favorite" than what I consider "best".  If I were to say best, it would be Fantasia, and I don't know if Alice in Wonderland would make the cut, Little Mermaid probably would only scrape the bottom of the top 10.  If I were going by pure favorites I'd drop Snow White and may throw in Sword in the Stone.
 

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William T said:
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Am I just being nostalgic or is it just a fact that as far as Disney hand animation is concerned Lion King was the last truly great film?  Mulan, Hercules, Hunchback and Tarzan were OK, but too formulaic with no great music, animation, or story.  The Frog Princess had the perfect idea and setting, and really raised my expectations but it seemed merely above average and kind of rote with no great songs written by someone who should not have written the songs (which is a missed opportunity). 

I get that a couple Disney CGI stuff is top notch, I just miss the hand animation.
Yep exactly. I was browsing Netflix the other night and saw Atlantis was on there (I've never seen it) but I turned it off after 30 seconds. The animation was awful. Disney's direct-to-video sequels were better animated than that crap.

People say Atlantis or Treasure Planet were to blame for the demise of the traditional hand animation Disney flick, but I agree with you I think it was right after Lion King.

Even that said though, watching some of those old Disney movies I knew as a kid haven't aged well.
I think it happened with Pocahontas.  I think I remember reading awhile back there was some kind of staff change.  I'm not sure if it's true.  It's interesting to think of what holds up after time.  A lot of 80's / 90's nostalgia does not hold up well.  There was some interesting hand animation though like The Last Unicorn (with the soundtrack done laughably by the folk rock band America),  American Tale, and Secret of Nihm (which was horrifying if you saw that when you 4).  I only think one or two of those might be able to compete with the best of Disney, but they were decent in their own right.

I think since the movie theater was more dominate before the 70's, the quality of those films tend to hold better because there was a higher concentration of talent and things weren't nearly as milked for mass consumerism and production so was there wasn't as much incentive to be ultra conservative and formulaic in order to turn a profit.  Also annoying is I think film companies rely more on celebrity (ex: phil collins writes disney songs, Eddie Murphy does Disney voices) than "unkown" more unique talent that is going to be better with voices, music, directing, etc.  So quality goes down.  It's a conservative mentality because it might be tougher for movies to turn a profit than it was before.  We may have been lucky to see movies like Beauty and the Beast...that may have been a fluke.

Either way, I miss hand drawn movie / musical animation.  I wonder if it's a thing of the past?
In some respects I'm glad its over but then that Tarantino side of me wanting-to-stockpile-VHS tapes wants to see a big budget production for a hand drawn flick like The Thief and the Cobbler (and finish it for release).

I have no idea what kids are watching these days that aren't Pixar/Dreamworks creations.

I think since the movie theater was more dominate before the 70's, the quality of those films tend to hold better because there was a higher concentration of talent and things weren't nearly as milked for mass consumerism and production so was there wasn't as much incentive to be ultra conservative and formulaic in order to turn a profit.
I'm not sure I agree with this. I'd say that the quality shifted from traditional animation over to computer animation, I would take a handful of Pixar movies over any Disney movie from the past anyday. Besides Beauty and the Beast, maybe a few when Walt was still around, I just can't think of any Disney movies that rival what Pixar/Dreamworks puts out. It's like how TV shows continue to get better, just look at the past 10 years and compare that to older shows.

I'd rather just keep the stuff I watched as a kid in the past, everytime I revisit something from my youth it ends up being aged garbage.

Also you forgot Studio Ghibli stuff, if that's your thing.
 

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I'm not sure I agree with this. I'd say that the quality shifted from traditional animation over to computer animation, I would take a handful of Pixar movies over any Disney movie from the past anyday. Besides Beauty and the Beast, maybe a few when Walt was still around, I just can't think of any Disney movies that rival what Pixar/Dreamworks puts out. It's like how TV shows continue to get better, just look at the past 10 years and compare that to older shows.

I'd rather just keep the stuff I watched as a kid in the past, everytime I revisit something from my youth it ends up being aged garbage.

Also you forgot Studio Ghibli stuff, if that's your thing.


You're right, I over simplified.  I think I was thinking about big budget movies in general.  I think if I were to take my logic, hand drawn talent has to compete with CGI talent which is the dominate form. So hand drawn has a smaller pool of talent and less incentive. But I would say that a lot of stuff I watched as a kid still holds up.  Shows like Animaniacs, Batman, X Men, Justice League, Ren and Stimpy, Rug Rats are great.  Ninja Turtles, Transformers, GI Joe, and 85% of the other stuff is not....but that's probably with most things in most generations.


Personally, I think hand drawn tends to be better.  As far as story telling or artistic merit is concerned I'm not sure the best of Pixar/Dreamworks eclipses old Disney or the best of older hand drawn animation - no doubt that their best are among the best, I just don't think they outright beat them.  We may have to save that debate for another time though. That may be a fun debate to have.

As for television being better now, maybe. I don't watch much television.  I'd have to think about it, that may be a debate for another time too.  No doubt that production value and creative talent are flowing to Television shows at perhaps an unprecedented rate.  I'm not too sure how I asses it though.  Like I said, I don't watch much TV anymore.  I think I can also say that other than Angie Tribeca I don't really like much of the comedy I've seen, but that is a limited perspective and off the cuff remark.  Like I said, that may be a debate for another time.
 

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Just saw Hail, Caesar! on Monday. It wasn't laugh out loud hilarious, but it was enjoyable.

Looking forward to seeing Sing Street when it comes out.
 

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The Danish Girl

Saw this one yesterday. It was beautiful. Less sentimental than I thought which made it better than I expected. Probably wouldn't have worked if the movie would have tried to justify or explain transgenderism but it just showed two lost and suffering people persons. A bit anachronistic but that was to be expected.
 

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I was eager to watch Gravity with Clooney and Bulock and upon starting it up I am horrified to hear this very strange "3D" audio effect IN SPACE!!!! Since I am watching it on my computer with headphones I guess the channel separation sounds worse...

What are these people thinking? Arggghh. The audio is coming through the comms people!!!

And it won an Oscar for audio!?! It boggles the mind!

It really is too distracting. I don't think I can finish it...... :(

 

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The Good Dinosaur. Basically, Pixar's answer to The Lion King. Seriously, the first act of this and the first act of The Lion King are the same exact movie. Very predictable, too.

Gorgeous looking CGI, though. Some of the best computer-generated effects we'll ever see on film for a while.
 

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I was eager to watch Gravity with Clooney and Bulock and upon starting it up I am horrified to hear this very strange "3D" audio effect IN SPACE!!!! Since I am watching it on my computer with headphones I guess the channel separation sounds worse...

What are these people thinking? Arggghh. The audio is coming through the comms people!!!

And it won an Oscar for audio!?! It boggles the mind!

It really is too distracting. I don't think I can finish it...... :(
Have you tried watching Interstellar yet? Just wait until you hear the audio on that.
 

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I was eager to watch Gravity with Clooney and Bulock and upon starting it up I am horrified to hear this very strange "3D" audio effect IN SPACE!!!! Since I am watching it on my computer with headphones I guess the channel separation sounds worse...

What are these people thinking? Arggghh. The audio is coming through the comms people!!!

And it won an Oscar for audio!?! It boggles the mind!

It really is too distracting. I don't think I can finish it...... :(
Have you tried watching Interstellar yet? Just wait until you hear the audio on that.
I watched it about a month ago. When I saw your response I struggled to remember anything about the audio and so I googled it and got this. Yes it was quiet at times but I watched it alone at home on TV and I had full control of the volume so it was not a problem so much. I don't recall but I likely had subtitles on as well.

My problem with Gravity was that it felt like I had a fly moving around about my head! Very annoying. The movie had the potential to draw you in and make you feel that you were there. Wonderful special effects, but as you are getting drawn in, you hear the audio panning back and forth completely ruining the experience. I really hope they re-release it without the 3D audio, it should be easy.

EDIT:
I think this Youtube clip is a good example of what people are complaining about. I don't mind it too much and I kind of see the artistic side of that Nolan is trying to do. But Gravity was just bizarre.
 

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The Book of Life, for the umpteenth time. The young one has taken to it something fierce, and it's growing on me beyond what I thought possible.
 

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Saw Gangs of New York yesterday. It was weird, but I think the last hour of the movie kindda saved it.
Watching A history of violence ATM.
 

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I've just come back from cinema to see Zootopia. A great film, here is a trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWM0ct-OLsM (nice almost Orthodox element in the end of it)
 
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