- Nov 2, 2010
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In my view I am just as Guilty as a mass murderer.minasoliman said:At this point I would actually take William's side on this. I want you to think of some specific etiquettes when you are talking to some people. It is hurtful to tell someone who was physically or sexually abused that if you don't forgive you will go to hell. You'll only hurt the person more and then make them hate religion.Sinful Hypocrite said:My point is revenge and keeping a grudge do not help you, and according to Jesus, they can condemn you to hell before the criminal.
Christ taught us to pray "forgive as our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us," but Christ did not teach that all trespasses are the same. You cannot expect to give the same lesson for the woman whose son was murdered. This requires a different manner of healing, one that requires a bit of empathy not to judge. For they feel they would never do that to anyone, so how can they forgive? And neither do you know what they went through to even say that.
So in fact, what you said here can actually be quite hurtful. There are things that are not appropriate to say and required a time and a place. Doing or saying the right thing at the wrong time is actually a wrong thing. Christ said things within their context. He was uprooting a society always seeking to exact vengeance of sins that were not done against them, and he wanted people to take petty grudges (such as those resulting from verbal insults or minor thefts) and lusts of the mind seriously.
But how did Christ approach the woman who was about to lose her life for harlotry? He did not tell her to forgive the men who was going to stone her, but imagine the scene of Christ talking to this poor woman: "Neither do I accuse you. Your burden is lifted, sin no more." That sounds like someone with some compassion who does not bombard you with a list of virtues to accomplish. William and James are speaking of extreme circumstances, which requires delicate care of your speech and help, and not a haphazard teaching from Christ.
In an earlier post I spoke of having the same problems with forgiving things done to me . Every day I struggle with them, and I will bet they were worse than most.
I try to forgive them for my own soul and well being. I am not addressing the object of our hatred here, I am addressing the one who is not forgiving, which only hurts them more.
I have always said to people that if you become hateful, or harden your heart because what others do to you, then they have won, but it is really satan who has victory.
Were they as bad as crucifying the Son of God who said "Forgive them for they know not what they do"?
I am truly guilty as you say, please forgive me.