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Would you wear this medal?

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Hi, so recently I saw a medal that I had thoughts of buying. On the front was a dove descending and on the back was the Holy Trinity (equal to a venn diagram) with the letters P F S (Pater, filio, spiritus sanctus) being a catholic medal. I have other catholic medals of the Blessed Virgin and Jesus so it being catholic didn't bother me, BUT what did was when I saw this cross underneath the Trinity. I mean I don't know what to make of it since this cross was apparently 'revealed' to a nun. One just wants to be careful about these things
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Cross#/media/File:Miraculous_medal.jpg
 

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When I was RC (well, not accepting its heresies), I got such medal (because, at least here in Poland, there are some RC that's their mission giving these medals for free), but I've never worn it, I just kept it in my wallet and then on my desk, as far I remember. But when I found out the story related to it, and that's connected with the heresy of Immaculate Conception and the cult hearts of Jesus and Mary, I gave it to my mother - she's still RC and I thought I couldn't throw it out as there is a Theotokos and a cross.

But it's one more typical thing of such RC "revelations" - "if you wear this, you will be saved"; "if you say this and this prayer, you won't be suffering so much in the purgatory" etc. - yeah, I know it's a kind of simplification, but all these things (including this medal) is a result of treating the faith in a very juridical way, that's leaded to some automatism.
 

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Dominika said:
But it's one more typical thing of such RC "revelations" - "if you wear this, you will be saved"; "if you say this and this prayer, you won't be suffering so much in the purgatory" etc. - yeah, I know it's a kind of simplification, but all these things (including this medal) is a result of treating the faith in a very juridical way, that's leaded to some automatism.
Nah, it's a result of the RCC always being quick to adopt peasant superstition.
 

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hamster02 said:
Hi, so recently I saw a medal that I had thoughts of buying. On the front was a dove descending and on the back was the Holy Trinity (equal to a venn diagram) with the letters P F S (Pater, filio, spiritus sanctus) being a catholic medal. I have other catholic medals of the Blessed Virgin and Jesus so it being catholic didn't bother me, BUT what did was when I saw this cross underneath the Trinity. I mean I don't know what to make of it since this cross was apparently 'revealed' to a nun. One just wants to be careful about these things
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Cross#/media/File:Miraculous_medal.jpg
Hamster, I'm a little confused - the link leads to the Miraculous medal of St. Mary - but it isn't anything as to what you describe.  I wore this as a teen and prayed the prayer on it often. 

Is this the same medal you are describing?  The Holy Theotokos is on the front standing on the serpent. . . with the prayer "Oh Mary, conceived with out sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee."

The back has her emblem (M with a cross) and the sacred heart of Jesus and the her heart with a sword pierced through.  There's also usually stars to represent the apostles.

If this is the medal you are referring to. . . I do not wear it any longer. . .but I am not opposed to it, either.  It does not offend me. . .Our Holy Lady Theotokos is most generous to pray for me. . . anything that reminds me of her and that she prays for me is . . . something that brings thanks.  I do not believe she was conceived with out sin in the thought of she was above humanity and without the fall of man. . . .I do believe that her parents did not sin in the conception of her - that she was conceived as an answer to a promise and in their faith - which is counted as righteousness. . . so her conception can be said to have been without sin, but not without human frailty.  (Though I am sure that is not what was meant. . . or at least not what I was taught back then.)


The only medal I wear now is my crismation cross - and my medical alert.  . . and my house key. 

If this isn't the medal you are referring to, could you please repost the link?  Thanks!
 

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Hello quietmorning, ok this is the link to the medal i wanted to buy. I just wanted to describe the type of cross I saw. Sorry for the confusion. God bless
http://www.slabbinck.be/en-US/product/detail.html?id=42943
 

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Ok, thanks.

That looks a little mixed celtic to me.  The Holy Spirit on the Front - the Trinity on the back with the symbol of St. Mary and the Apostles.

I personally wouldn't wear it, because I simply don't care for it, but I have seen the symbol / emblem of Mary in the Orthodox Church as well as in the RC church.  It is not necessarily Marium. 

I would not disregard it as unworthy to wear, though.  I think this is more a priest question. . . I'm not sure about putting the Holy Spirit out in front as this is. . .that's sort've a little odd to me and hits me a little odd.
 

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A lot of Orthodox traditionalists beloeve visions like the one that led to this medal are demonic.  I probably wouldn't wear it; much of the time I forget to wear my baptismal cross, so why should I also burden myself with what amounts to an amulet?  Catholic beliefs in the powers of scapulars, medals and so on make me uneasy.
 

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Dominika said:
When I was RC (well, not accepting its heresies), I got such medal (because, at least here in Poland, there are some RC that's their mission giving these medals for free), but I've never worn it, I just kept it in my wallet and then on my desk, as far I remember. But when I found out the story related to it, and that's connected with the heresy of Immaculate Conception and the cult hearts of Jesus and Mary, I gave it to my mother - she's still RC and I thought I couldn't throw it out as there is a Theotokos and a cross.

But it's one more typical thing of such RC "revelations" - "if you wear this, you will be saved"; "if you say this and this prayer, you won't be suffering so much in the purgatory" etc. - yeah, I know it's a kind of simplification, but all these things (including this medal) is a result of treating the faith in a very juridical way, that's leaded to some automatism.
Automatic being saved?  I'll see your miraculous medal and raise you a Brown Scapular. 
 

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JoeS2 said:
Dominika said:
When I was RC (well, not accepting its heresies), I got such medal (because, at least here in Poland, there are some RC that's their mission giving these medals for free), but I've never worn it, I just kept it in my wallet and then on my desk, as far I remember. But when I found out the story related to it, and that's connected with the heresy of Immaculate Conception and the cult hearts of Jesus and Mary, I gave it to my mother - she's still RC and I thought I couldn't throw it out as there is a Theotokos and a cross.

But it's one more typical thing of such RC "revelations" - "if you wear this, you will be saved"; "if you say this and this prayer, you won't be suffering so much in the purgatory" etc. - yeah, I know it's a kind of simplification, but all these things (including this medal) is a result of treating the faith in a very juridical way, that's leaded to some automatism.
Automatic being saved?  I'll see your miraculous medal and raise you a Brown Scapular. 
I'll raise you a First Saturdays devotion.
 

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Sam G said:
JoeS2 said:
Dominika said:
When I was RC (well, not accepting its heresies), I got such medal (because, at least here in Poland, there are some RC that's their mission giving these medals for free), but I've never worn it, I just kept it in my wallet and then on my desk, as far I remember. But when I found out the story related to it, and that's connected with the heresy of Immaculate Conception and the cult hearts of Jesus and Mary, I gave it to my mother - she's still RC and I thought I couldn't throw it out as there is a Theotokos and a cross.

But it's one more typical thing of such RC "revelations" - "if you wear this, you will be saved"; "if you say this and this prayer, you won't be suffering so much in the purgatory" etc. - yeah, I know it's a kind of simplification, but all these things (including this medal) is a result of treating the faith in a very juridical way, that's leaded to some automatism.
Automatic being saved?  I'll see your miraculous medal and raise you a Brown Scapular. 
I'll raise you a First Saturdays devotion.
I will call with 9 First Fridays.
 

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Dominika said:
When I was RC (well, not accepting its heresies),
Oh my...

Cyrillic said:
Nah, it's a result of the RCC always being quick to adopt peasant superstition.
As if Orthodox aren't.
 

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mike said:
Cyrillic said:
Nah, it's a result of the RCC always being quick to adopt peasant superstition.
As if Orthodox aren't.
+1

We're just decentralized enough that it stays local superstition, at least most of the time.

But I can think of at lease one instance of Orthodox folk piety in which I can say two words and all manner of debate will break out here.
 
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