Yet Another Gay Marriage Thread

Homosexuality comes up frequenbtly on Orthodox forums because..

  • Some folks who need Prozac aren't on it yet.

    Votes: 20 27.8%
  • Since drunkeness, adultery, theft and dishonesty have been eradicated it's the only sin left to figh

    Votes: 10 13.9%
  • Apparently most Orthodox Christians have lots of gay family, friends and associates

    Votes: 7 9.7%
  • Orthodox forums attract a lot of self torturing closet cases and men with doubts about thier own mas

    Votes: 20 27.8%
  • Some folks who need Prozac aren't on it yet.

    Votes: 15 20.8%

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I love visiting ethnic Slavic parishes! I am not of Slavic background, but they are always so warm, loving and gracious to me. Sometimes I view myself almost as an "adopted Slav." Of course, maybe it helps that I am well read in Slavic history, and have a deep appreciation for their culture and musical traditions. But I just really feel at home with the Slavs (particularly the Russians), even though I had a Germanic Lutheran upbringing.
 

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Matthew777 said:
Sadly, the first option is the one most likely to be true.

Peace.
Nah, I'm going with the plurality, #4...but it probably spills over into #5.
 

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Orthodox forums attract a lot of self torturing closet cases and men with doubts about thier own masculinity
Interestingly, in some ancient cultures it was considered more manly to have homosexual relations. Though I should say, lest I give the wrong impression by my recent posts, that I am not a homosexual myself :)  "Not that there's anything wrong with that."
 

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How about a sixth choice?
Because it IS such a hot button issue these days for both the left and the right many Christians with traditional values feel it is important to speak up and let their voice be heard in a democracy?................
  Honestly, not everyone who believes society should maintain traditional standards of decency is a hypocrite or a closet homosexual. Should we stereotype social liberals by saying that everyone who favors the modern form of tolerance is necessarilly a libertine?..........

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DavidH said:
Peasants!
Miller Life? If you want water get it out of the tap!
But if you like your beer like your women- cold, strong, black and bitter- drink Guinness!
Good to see someone upholding "traditional standards of decency". An uncharitable person would think this statement came from a bigot, a chauvinist, or even a "libertine".
 

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DavidH said:
Thank goodness there are are more Orthodox with a sense of humor than there are uncharitable ones.
Though I may disagree with you on the psychology of those obsessed with homosexuality on religious internet forums, when it comes to what really matters, i.e. Beer, I'm 100% behind you ;)
 

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greekischristian said:
Though I may disagree with you on the psychology of those obsessed with homosexuality on religious internet forums, when it comes to what really matters, i.e. Beer, I'm 100% behind you ;)
OK.  I've had enough homosexual talk.  I'm out of here.
 

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greekischristian said:
Though I may disagree with you on the psychology of those obsessed with homosexuality on religious internet forums, when it comes to what really matters, i.e. Beer, I'm 100% behind you ;)
I would be against an obsessive position from either the left or the right, but at least we agree on matters of SUBSTANCE.
 
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Anastasios, I do not limit my contact to homosexuals behaviors simply because I am thinking about what they do in private.  It's rarely private!  For me, I am an active duty mother protecting young boys and little girls.  I think in that frame of reference because it's my calling right now-and I take it seriously.  In my work with women harmed by sexual brokenness, one issue that kept coming up was their man's fondness of young boys.  It's a common factor, and one that immediately puts me on guard because I have young boys to protect.  There are many homosexual activists that are trying to change laws for man/boy love.  Sexual brokenness bleeds in to many aspects of their lives and nearly takes over their life, in many many cases.  There are probably some loving quiet homosexual people out there, but I have yet to meet a one.  Maybe our area only draws the kind that are out to make a statement?  I don't know. 
I think there is a wall because I am fully mothering small children, and one of the gay community's biggest agenda's is to reprogram small children into thinking homosexuality is acceptable.  That creates a wall for me right off the bat, a line in the sand so to speak.  There are SO many attacks on little children and their minds and hearts, I try to shield some of those incoming missiles as best I can.  I am offended by those that launch them-whomever they may be.  Is a homosexual sin any worse than a hetero one?  Hardly, I was molested by a heterosexual man and I hold that sin just as wrong. My dd was molested by her gay uncle. It's all wrong.  I believe sexual sin is just so vile because it preys upon the young, the babies, our little daughters and sons. That is the enemy's way.  I was once told that satan has a particular hatred for women and children.  I would hardly disagree. Sexual predators abound, but it's going to be worse when the root behavior is considered "acceptable" by the masses.  Once they get you to okay their lifestyle, they feed you a bit more cripe and a bit more. It's the same slippery slope that started with legalized abortion, now those same folks want partial birth abortion ( a procedure that is NEVER needed and is horrific in nature) and euthanasia for folks deemed useless or too old, etc.  Once we accept that which is wrong, we become desensitized.
Is my wall one of protection or hatred?  I don't believe it's the latter, there isn't a feeling of hatred in my spirit.  I admit to being fed up with the overacting and feminizing-especially of dd's uncle (who got away with it)  I mean, I knew him before the act, the effect, the lisp and the swish.  Being fed up is not that abnormal.
As far as the good samaritan analogy, I am not sure it applies.  What opportunity to minister have I been afforded and then rejected?  Having dd's gay uncle and his multiple boyfriends over for tea??  Have them over for a bar-b-que and hope none take a shine to my handsome little boys?  The only exposure to gays I have had is in San Fran where it's all a show meant to gag you, or with folks that come to pick a fight with Jerry in the next town over-so again it's all for show.  I ONLY know of, or find the ones that have the agenda-not the ones going about living their lives quietly.  Might just be the environment here is ripe, who knows?
It really bugs me that a person like me, a mother, cannot stand up and say I don't want this for my children.  It makes me a biggot or vengeful in some way.  NO it doesn't!
 

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Anastasios, I do not limit my contact to homosexuals behaviors simply because I am thinking about what they do in private. It's rarely private! For me, I am an active duty mother protecting young boys and little girls. I think in that frame of reference because it's my calling right now-and I take it seriously. In my work with women harmed by sexual brokenness, one issue that kept coming up was their man's fondness of young boys. It's a common factor, and one that immediately puts me on guard because I have young boys to protect. There are many homosexual activists that are trying to change laws for man/boy love. Sexual brokenness bleeds in to many aspects of their lives and nearly takes over their life, in many many cases. There are probably some loving quiet homosexual people out there, but I have yet to meet a one. Maybe our area only draws the kind that are out to make a statement? I don't know.ÂÂ
I think there is a wall because I am fully mothering small children, and one of the gay community's biggest agenda's is to reprogram small children into thinking homosexuality is acceptable. That creates a wall for me right off the bat, a line in the sand so to speak. There are SO many attacks on little children and their minds and hearts, I try to shield some of those incoming missiles as best I can. I am offended by those that launch them-whomever they may be. Is a homosexual sin any worse than a hetero one? Hardly, I was molested by a heterosexual man and I hold that sin just as wrong. My dd was molested by her gay uncle. It's all wrong. I believe sexual sin is just so vile because it preys upon the young, the babies, our little daughters and sons. That is the enemy's way. I was once told that satan has a particular hatred for women and children. I would hardly disagree. Sexual predators abound, but it's going to be worse when the root behavior is considered "acceptable" by the masses. Once they get you to okay their lifestyle, they feed you a bit more cripe and a bit more. It's the same slippery slope that started with legalized abortion, now those same folks want partial birth abortion ( a procedure that is NEVER needed and is horrific in nature) and euthanasia for folks deemed useless or too old, etc. Once we accept that which is wrong, we become desensitized.
Is my wall one of protection or hatred? I don't believe it's the latter, there isn't a feeling of hatred in my spirit. I admit to being fed up with the overacting and feminizing-especially of dd's uncle (who got away with it) I mean, I knew him before the act, the effect, the lisp and the swish. Being fed up is not that abnormal.
As far as the good samaritan analogy, I am not sure it applies. What opportunity to minister have I been afforded and then rejected? Having dd's gay uncle and his multiple boyfriends over for tea?? Have them over for a bar-b-que and hope none take a shine to my handsome little boys? The only exposure to gays I have had is in San Fran where it's all a show meant to gag you, or with folks that come to pick a fight with Jerry in the next town over-so again it's all for show. I ONLY know of, or find the ones that have the agenda-not the ones going about living their lives quietly. Might just be the environment here is ripe, who knows?
It really bugs me that a person like me, a mother, cannot stand up and say I don't want this for my children. It makes me a biggot or vengeful in some way. NO it doesn't!
Good luck raising your chiildren, the child in your avatar looks full of vitality and very cute.
 

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calligraphqueen said:
Anastasios, I do not limit my contact to homosexuals behaviors simply because I am thinking about what they do in private. It's rarely private! For me, I am an active duty mother protecting young boys and little girls. I think in that frame of reference because it's my calling right now-and I take it seriously. In my work with women harmed by sexual brokenness, one issue that kept coming up was their man's fondness of young boys. It's a common factor, and one that immediately puts me on guard because I have young boys to protect. There are many homosexual activists that are trying to change laws for man/boy love. Sexual brokenness bleeds in to many aspects of their lives and nearly takes over their life, in many many cases. There are probably some loving quiet homosexual people out there, but I have yet to meet a one. Maybe our area only draws the kind that are out to make a statement? I don't know.ÂÂ
I think there is a wall because I am fully mothering small children, and one of the gay community's biggest agenda's is to reprogram small children into thinking homosexuality is acceptable. That creates a wall for me right off the bat, a line in the sand so to speak. There are SO many attacks on little children and their minds and hearts, I try to shield some of those incoming missiles as best I can. I am offended by those that launch them-whomever they may be. Is a homosexual sin any worse than a hetero one? Hardly, I was molested by a heterosexual man and I hold that sin just as wrong. My dd was molested by her gay uncle. It's all wrong. I believe sexual sin is just so vile because it preys upon the young, the babies, our little daughters and sons. That is the enemy's way. I was once told that satan has a particular hatred for women and children. I would hardly disagree. Sexual predators abound, but it's going to be worse when the root behavior is considered "acceptable" by the masses. Once they get you to okay their lifestyle, they feed you a bit more cripe and a bit more. It's the same slippery slope that started with legalized abortion, now those same folks want partial birth abortion ( a procedure that is NEVER needed and is horrific in nature) and euthanasia for folks deemed useless or too old, etc. Once we accept that which is wrong, we become desensitized.
Is my wall one of protection or hatred? I don't believe it's the latter, there isn't a feeling of hatred in my spirit. I admit to being fed up with the overacting and feminizing-especially of dd's uncle (who got away with it) I mean, I knew him before the act, the effect, the lisp and the swish. Being fed up is not that abnormal.
As far as the good samaritan analogy, I am not sure it applies. What opportunity to minister have I been afforded and then rejected? Having dd's gay uncle and his multiple boyfriends over for tea?? Have them over for a bar-b-que and hope none take a shine to my handsome little boys? The only exposure to gays I have had is in San Fran where it's all a show meant to gag you, or with folks that come to pick a fight with Jerry in the next town over-so again it's all for show. I ONLY know of, or find the ones that have the agenda-not the ones going about living their lives quietly. Might just be the environment here is ripe, who knows?
It really bugs me that a person like me, a mother, cannot stand up and say I don't want this for my children. It makes me a biggot or vengeful in some way. NO it doesn't!
Honestly, the world needs more mothers like you. I don't think I need to explain.

May the Lord protect you and your children,

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calligraphqueen said:
There are many homosexual activists that are trying to change laws for man/boy love.
This is paedophilia, not homosexuality. It almost sounds like it would be "OK" for men to have sexual relations with minors provided they are female. The man who sexually attacked my 2 year old Goddaughter had also attacked boys.
 
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Oz, is there such a thing as homosexual pedophilia?  If a man likes small boys, to me it is both.  But then the man that attacked my dd liked anything sexual he could get his hands on then, and now seems to limit himself to only males. I don't think it's okay either way personally, just so that is clear. :-\
 

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I think there is a very real danger of confusing homosexuality with paedophilia, calligraphqueen. They are not the same. Homosexuality is an attraction to the same sex. Paedophilia is an attraction to children. Both are passions, but the danger lies in assuming that it is homosexuals that children need to be protected from, and while we keep a watchful eye on them, the real danger of a paedophile creeps in.
I would appreciate some evidence for your claim that:
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There are many homosexual activists that are trying to change laws for man/boy love.
Are they "Homosexual activists" or "Paedophile activists"?
The difference is this: a homosexual activist seeks rights for consenting adults. A paedophile activist seeks rights for adults over children.
I'm not questioning your right to protect your children from those who seek to morally justify homosexual acts- I applaud it. But the greater danger to children comes not from homosexuals, but from paedophiles- who are much better at hiding who they are, and who target children. At least you know where you stand with an openly gay man or woman, whereas exposing your children to someone you least suspect (and statistically is most likely to be married) could be exposing them to a paedophile.
 

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"Paedophilia involves intense sexual urges and sexual activity with prepubescent children. Two thirds of molested children are girls, usually between the ages of 8 and 11. To meet the diagnostic criteria, a paedophile must be at least 16 years old and at least five years older than the victim. Most paedophiles are men, but there are cases of women having repeated sexual contact with children. In 90% of cases the molester is known to the child, and 15% (possibly more) are relatives. Most paedophiles are heterosexual and are often married with their own children, although they commonly have marital or sexual difficulties or problems with alcohol misuse. Eighty per cent have a history of childhood sexual abuse." Source: British Medical Journal

"In "journoworld" (by no means exclusively tabloid or the hitherto gutter press), celibacy is a convenient institution on which to hang paedophilia. Most of us know that there is no connection, that most paedophiles are married. Any responsible research shows that celibate Catholic priests and religious or Buddhist monks are no more inclined to abuse children than the married clergy in any other religious denomination. Celibacy is a soft target, now as much as during the Reformation." Source: The Brandsma Review
 
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I think that my discernment is, sadly, born out of experience.  I think it is a skill picked up on the battle field.
I never claimed that all pedophiles were homosexual, far from it.  The man who severely molested my mother was her father, and he was a literal member of the "sex before 8, or it's too late club"  Yes, there is such a thing, and it's membership is not limited to heterosexual males.

I claim that any time a person bends the rules of sexuality put in place by their creator, and goes further and further down the path of a life of sexual deviance-that all bets are off.  Just like the man that is at first content with a little soft porn, then needs more hardcore, then needs the real thing, then starts "flashing" people, then starts molesting his daughter, then goes for more and more and more... Ever seen the interview with Dobson and Ted Bundy?  Once you tasted of perversion of purity of anykind, it typically doesn't stop right there.  A little peek or touch isn't enough anymore.  Same thing with my own father.  And the same thing with my daughter, while in the care of her idiot dad,  her gay uncle molested her.  He wasn't the "flaming gay" we all know now back then, just a very confused boy.
We can't limit pedophilia to heterosexual men, or women for that matter.  Of course it's not a given that a gay person is also a pedophile, and that wasn't my claim.  Yes, pedophilia and homosexuality are different, so is pedophilia and beastiality- but sexual perversion blurs the lines of what is right and wrong and there is a lot of crossover.  That is my experience anyway.  That experience is based on women I have worked with ( I did not counsel their male partners since that wasn't the set up in place) and my own battered life as sexual prey, as well as my daughter's.  It absolutely amazes me that sexuality is such a monstrously important issue in our society.  it's just sex, whether you do it with men or women or both or animals or tables or whatever.  Is there nothing more to the human existence than sex?  There are those out there that would have us and our children believing that is the case.
Celibacy in our society, here in the US anyway, is looked upon as weak.  In reality, it would take great care, determination, committment and a strong Faith to make it happen.  It's a lot easier to go with one's urges, I should think.
I do not mean to offend, or to suggest that all gays/lesbians are also pedophiles.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I do contend that when you step into the cesspool of sexual perversion, you are going to be covered with what's in the pit and it will affect everything you see and touch.  One has to get out of the cesspool, cease going back to it like a dog to vomit, and focus on their eternity. That's hardly limited to homosexuality.
 

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calligraphqueen said:
I think that my discernment is, sadly, born out of experience. I think it is a skill picked up on the battle field.
I never claimed that all pedophiles were homosexual, far from it. The man who severely molested my mother was her father, and he was a literal member of the "sex before 8, or it's too late club" Yes, there is such a thing, and it's membership is not limited to heterosexual males.
Your opinion may have some merit within your experience, but it doesn't seem to measure up to research and data on the subject. Research seems to suggest that Homosexuality is mostly phenotypical in nature, where as pedophilia is primarily psychological. Thus, to compare the two is to compare apples and oranges; whether or not one has tendencies towards pedophilia should be independent of whether they're homosexual or heterosexual. Ozgeorge had some good studies and statistics to support his conclusions, do you have know of any data or studies that could give support to your opinion on the matter?
 

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greekischristian said:
Ozgeorge had some good studies and statistics to support his conclusions, do you have know of any data or studies that could give support to your opinion on the matter?
Her opinion on the matter is that she wants to protect her kids from sexual deviance. Thus, her concern is motherly and practical, not propositional.
 
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